G55K

There are cheaper options than Pure Turbos. So why Pure Turbos? Why not go with the cheapest upgrade you can find?

I’m not sure how many high end cars you’ve built or modified but I’ve had the disease for 20 years and counting. I’ve had everything from a 1200 HP Porsche GT2 to a twin turbo Heffner Viper. In my garage right now is a heavily modified McLaren parked next to an Audi TTRS making over 650whp. Next to the Audi is my 18 year old sons full Renntech turbo upgrade CLA45. Over the past 20 years I bet I’ve spent almost $1M modifying high end cars. It’s a total waste of money but I just love it.

Here’s what I’ve experienced. The cars that I’ve had modified by sticking with one vendor for the entire build have been far more reliable than the cars that have been pieced together using multiple vendor. I’ve had a few cars that were absolute maintenance nightmares when the Turbos came from vendor x, tuning from vendor y, supporting hardware from vendor z, etc. Pure Turbos make good stuff. But they only make turbos. Let’s say you put Pure Turbos on you E63, buy a meth kit from AEM, downpipes from AMS, transmission upgrade from Renntech, air box from Weistec, and tuning from Eurocharged. Who in the hell are you going to call for help if something goes wrong? I’ll pay a premium to stick with one vendor for everything. If I were to build an E63, C63, or any AMG, my car would go to a company that can install and support an entire turnkey solution. In my experience, the premium is worth it. Weistec makes quality stuff and I’d have no problem sending my car to them. And, if something went wrong, I’d only have to deal with Weistec. That’s their value in my opinion.

MuffinFlavored

well that settles that
you’re a better car enthusiast/person than me
you have spent more and you have much better cars

i’d argue pure turbos are probably the best bang for the buck, and that piece matching pieces from other companies is probably more popular than buying everything from one brand (who is price gouging you)

you don’t wish weistec was at least competitive in their pricing? i’m sure their margins could come down 20% and still provide this legendary bundled wisdom/support you’re mentioning

Let’s say you put:

1. Pure Turbos on you E63 - $3.5k
2. buy a meth kit from AEM - $400
3. downpipes from AMS - also couldn't find this on their site but I'm guessing $1.5k - $3k
4. transmission upgrade from Renntech - I couldn't find this one but I bet it's like $20k or it isn't out yet
5. air box from Weistec - you mean the M177 $199-$299 filters? (they have two M177 SKUs, one for $100 more lol)
6. tuning from Eurocharged - $2k (they lowered their prices... didn't they lol)

How much would all of this be comparatively from Weistec? How much left over in the budget could you spend on "figuring out what went wrong/who to deal with?"

Like, if you're stinking filthy rich, more power to you man. Congratulations.

Meeru

U guys are hilarious 😂

Cory @ Weistec

Just to clarify, we have two different sku's for two completely different filters that are for two different model vehicles. As an enthusiast I'm sure you understand the multiple variants of the M177.

MuffinFlavored

I don’t Cory, because I am less of a person than you. How stupid of me.

ecampbell

Rather than hate, just go elsewhere and get a complete solution that is offered from a competitor.

Let us know the results.

MuffinFlavored

I can’t afford it. Did you not read the thread? I’m too broke and stupid to ever even consider dreaming of owning the collection of masterpieced machinery that is Weistec.

(ok, I’ll stop now, thanks for the laughs guys!)

ecampbell

ah, a bench racer....that sums it up.

MuffinFlavored

yeah man! i don’t have a tuned e63s that i beat the **** out of every day and i’m not in the market for more bolt ons! tell me more mr. genius internet man! call me more derrogatory names on an online forum! you’re my hero!!!

ecampbell

why is a bench racer a derogatory name?

I cant afford to beat my daily driver either so when i want to race i use this.

ecampbell

I just finished driving my daily driver from California to Florida.

Your turn in this pissing contest you tried to create with your misplaced sarcasm.

G55K

Here are some options if you're building your new E63. None of these estimates include labor but it's safe to assume that they're similar

100% Weistec conversion
-W3 Turbo Upgrade $5,000
-ECU Upgrade $2,950
-Downpipes $2800
-Total Cost, not including labor is $10,750
-I'm not a fan of meth injection but lets say you include it: $1500
-The high flow air filter set isn't necessary but what the hell: $300
-The VTA Adapters are simply to make noise. No thanks.
-Gran total with all the bells and whistles: $12,550

100% Renntech Upgrade without labor:
-Their stage 1 turbo upgrade package, fully loaded, is $17,380
-Add air filters for $380
-Add their downpipe for, gulp, $4380
-Total, without meth injection, is $22,140

Now for the MuffinFlavored Blue Light special. Again labor is not included.
-Pure Turbo Upgrade is $3495
-Air filters seem to be in $200 - $300 range
-Downpipes are tough to find. I've found Weistec for $2800, Renntech for $4380, and Yabeela for $2,000. So let's go with Yabeela since they're the cheapest
-Tuning is tricky. The advertised prices for most ECU tunes are for the stock turbo. There might be some back and forth tweaking before the tune is dialed in. I'm a big fan of DME and they work closely with Pure Turbos across several platforms. Their tune is apprx $2700.
-Total cost using the lowest prices is $8395. Now that's if one of the off the shelf tunes works without some custom tuning effort on your car that consists of multiple vendor's parts.
-Add your $400 AEM meth injection kit (again, I hate meth injection) and you're up to $8795 but in reality, you're going spend a good bit more than $400 to make it fit.

So a full Weistec turnkey car, without wasting money on meth injection, is $10,750 in parts.
Using Pure Turbos and the most cost effective parts that I can find available (these are still quality parts), no meth, will cost you $8,395 if the initial off the shelf tune works.

So am I willing to spend a $2,355 premium on my $125,000 E63 for a turn key solution from a single vendor? Um, yes I am. But that's just me.

ecampbell

Good post. Only further commentw are that (1) if you go Weistec, the tune will be specific for your matched mods and not a canned tune which you hope matches what you have done and (2) I thought DME was out of business.

jayb289

Comments like this make you sound insecure mate. You are projecting for no reason at all, you are a grown man and a consumer, just take your wallet and go elsewhere.

As a business owner myself, nothing is worse than someone who has a choice arguing with me about price.

Mandarin

You can easily find options for $1500 or even less... Just saying. And yeah they are gonna be 3d scanned and CNC mandrel bent ))

But again, just saying...

MuffinFlavored

There are downpipes on this forum for $1,700 and I got a cheap *** tune from OE Tuning for $1,300 with the loader to put it on the car. So, shave another $1,700 off of your prices for a total of ~$6,700. $6,700 vs $10,750 is kind of worth at least having a discussion. But you are right, an off the shelf tune probably won't work for turbos/meth... Actually, it 100% won't and makes my argument bull****.

I don't think buying Weistec turbos + downpipes includes labor... does it?

If it does, it definitely changes the conversation and I will 100% admit that. Plus you get some reassurance from Weistec that acts like a mini-warranty. That's worth a ton.

MuffinFlavored

Thanks for calling me insecure while I'm trying to crack some jokes on an Internet forum. I really appreciate that.

Nothing is worse than consumers giving a business owner feedback of "hey, your historical prices aren't looking so hot compared to the up and coming competition"?

Ralcbah

Agreed. A bit of advice though....don't feed the muffin man...

In business there will typically be a spectrum with regards to pricing in any space. I'm with you...as a business owner, I would also rather not be the cheapest....or anywhere near the cheapest...gotta justify the additional cost with additional value, and that's where the smart folks take over.

I like weistec a lot. I have their stuff. I have many friends who have full weistec builds and they love them.

G55K

A “cheap ***” off the shelf tune with your loader on a car with upgraded turbos? What’s the cost of a new E63 engine? You should probably add that to your cost model. I think you’re starting to understand what I’m saying.

Mbracer26

Cheapest tune come from a tesla, car went from 3.5sec to 3.2s overnight with a software update. All for free

ecampbell

I could not have said it better myself. Like I said before, I drove my Weistec loved E63S out from California to Florida. The car has all of their go fast goodies...only problem was...well there were no problems. The huge advantage with going to one place for a solution is that everything is matched and the dp doesn’t work with the turbos or the turne is a non-issue/.

For those of you on the east coast I am racing at Daytona next weekend....bring your cars out and join us.

chiromikey

Going by Weistec’s last attempt at a W3 turbo kit, you guys should probably sit quietly before singing their praise. I have emails promising me I’d run 9s and that $20k kit couldn’t beat a stage 2 stock turbo RS7 let alone match their promises. And please don’t act like there aren’t several independent tuners that have proven themselves better than Weistec on “pieced together” turbo projects.

MuffinFlavored

I’m with you and I respect you having a civil discussion with me. I also respect how awesome of an enthusiast you are (willing to pay for high quality, tuned McLaren/Viper, very cool)

I’d *probably* bet OE Tuning sales rep wouldn’t agree that their off the shelf tune would blow my engine, unless you’re saying the meth and turbos would by design be incompataible.

MuffinFlavored

Buying Weistec’s turbo for $5k, does that include the labor of them taking out your turbos then putting them back in? No way, right?

G55K

Nothing against OE tuning at all. What I’m saying is you can’t buy an off the shelf tune for a car with upgraded turbos.