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Removal by suction is generally the method used these days, for oil changes. Mitivac is a well accepted brand of oil removal pumps. Dealers typically use a fitting on the end of the dipstick tube that allows rapid and complete removal of oil. I have not found this fitting online, and no one on this site has provided a source for it. Consumers typically use a plastic tube that is inserted into the dipstick tube, into the sump. This is a somewhat slower process than the dealer uses, and may not evacuate 100% of the oil volume.
Looking at photos of the M256 inline six cylinder engine, I don't see obvious dipstick handles. Commonly these are found on the left (driver's side in North America and continental Europe) side of the engine, toward the rear. If you remove the engine cover, the dipstick will likely be in plain site, with a colored (red, yellow or blue are common) handle or grip.
I suggest Mercedes replacement filters.
I hope someone on this site can give a definitive link for the fitting used by the Mercedes dealers, which attaches between the oil removal pump and the dipstick tube.
Question for the forum:
1. Is the arrow pointing the the engine oil drain plug on my 2019 E53?
2. Does the oil drain under gravity w/o any vacuum assist apparatus?
3. Must any seals or drain plug be replaced?
What grade of oil did you use for the oil change. The manual says 0W-20 with MB Approval 229.71. I will be due for my A service soon and the dealer seemed unaware of the new oil specification for the E53. They are having trouble getting the oil. Has anyone been successful getting an E53 oil change with 0W-20 MB 229.71 oil?
Honestly i had to read it a couple times myself. Also somebody asked for a dipstick location of the m256 engine, it does not have one so oil change by pumping it out seems unlikely.
You have only "virtual" dipstick... I was trying to find it out too, but also thought the electronic one is quite nice, had BMW '15 with both, but this electronic one was working very bad. Sometimes you add a quarter and after 2 days of driving it caught the quarter.
BTW : Still asking you how to interpret this info that E53, E63, E63S (it's a mistake in this book, as there are 2x E63S) should require 0W40 or 5W40 (I personally think it is a mistake in E53). I was amazed with 2 MB services too.
One : 0W40 like all AMGs, Second : 5W30 best with 229.52
Still got 1000-1500km for first 2000km to make an oil replacement, but weird, but already bought 10L of 5W30 229.52... Replace air filter 75k km ... WHAT A JOKE!!!!
this is a usa book. honestly i dont know how to explain it i went to the dealer here in chicago the information that they provided me was worse than useless regretting for prepaying service for 4 years. im due 1k miles for my oil change i dont do 10k miles as the book suggests but 5k miles change but this will be the first one. last resort will be to drain some oil and send it to an oil lab i think they can determine the viscosity.
i would send my own samples, of coarse i would not expect any dealer to do that.
Last edited by JuliusLaSalle; 12-04-2019 at 08:07 PM.
Reason: to add
I’m having the 229.71 0W-20 oil change in my E53 Coupe tomorrow morning. It took a couple of weeks for the dealer to figure this out and get the proper oil.
this is a usa book. honestly i dont know how to explain it i went to the dealer here in chicago the information that they provided me was worse than useless regretting for prepaying service for 4 years. im due 1k miles for my oil change i dont do 10k miles as the book suggests but 5k miles change but this will be the first one. last resort will be to drain some oil and send it to an oil lab i think they can determine the viscosity.
I also change the oil always after 10k km so around 5-6k miles, but in Europe they have no idea too, so let's see what the Mercedes central going to say, I just sent them a question on the customer support. Nobody will be draining oil to determine viscosity... It's a 21st century just service has been replaced from repair to replace and nobody can use their brains anymore...
I don't want to drive on 0W20 ... NEVER EVER it's a water with very thin oil film. Such oil is good for 1.0L engine but not for a 3L 450HP engine god damn it!
In this video, Colin Morton, Regional Business Manager for Europe – Passenger Car Engine Oils, talks about how the MB229.71 specification represents one of the first in a new generation of advanced low viscosityA measure of a fluid's resistance to flow. A fluid with a higher viscosity flows less easily.SAE 0W-20 lubricants. These are required to maintain the reliable operation of the latest high-performance engines, hybrid powertrains and advanced aftertreatment systems which automotive OEMs are introducing as they seek to meet evolving European emissionsMobile sources - Pollutant exhaust gases created by the combustion of fuel. Water and CO2 are not included in this category, but CO, NOx, and hydrocarbons are and are thus subject to legislative control. All three are emitted by gasoline engines, while diesel engines also emit particulates that are regulated. Stationary sources - The release of sulfur oxides and particulates from power stations that can be influenced by fuel composition. Local authorities control the sulfur content of heavy fuel oils used in such applications.requirements for 2021 and beyond.MB229.71 engine oils are mandatory to meet the warranted service fill requirements for the latest generation of hybrid powertrains employing Daimler OM654 turbocharged diesel engines and M256 or M264 gasoline engines which come with 48V integrated electrics.
MB229.71 is based on ACEAEuropean Automobile Manufacturers Association (Association des Constructeurs Européens d'Automobiles). The primary automotive standards organization in the European Union, ACEA defines performance specifications for automotive lubricants.C5-16 which is the fastest-growing engine oil category in the European lubricants market today. The Mercedes-Benz vehicles requiring this class of lubricant are now approaching their first in-warranty service intervals and this will lead to a rapid increase in demand for these lubricants.
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there is not a single 229.71 oil on the US market, not even dealer has it. im not saying its not the right one just simply stating there is nowhere to order or buy.
for anyone interested oil drain plug part number is : 002-990-20-17
there is not a single 229.71 oil on the US market, not even dealer has it. im not saying its not the right one just simply stating there is nowhere to order or buy.
for anyone interested oil drain plug part number is : 002-990-20-17
229.71 and 0W20 is mostly idiotic EURO6 rule. US does not have EURO6 so that is why you are lucky not having this oil. In Europe this oil is available, but oil change intervals : US 10k km EU 25k km for the same car. If you watch the film provided 2 posts above you hear - they had to use this ****ty 229.71 to meet idiotic green emission standards which in reality kills the engine. US emission standards are at least 10Ys behind EU. We have EURO6 - you have equivalent of our EURO4, but they will not design the separate engines for EU and US.
As a car engineer who used to work 10Ys in car manufacturer central I’ve learned couple things :
- use the highest viscosity of oil available and of course approved to your car (car will burn a lot less higher viscosity oil than lower one, so might not burn 5W30 at all and take quite a lot 0W20)
- higher viscosity provides much much firm oil film and is desired the hotter temperatures you use your car.
- change oil after first 1500-3000km
- change oil much more frequent than it is provided in the manuals. Remember about transmition oils, gearbox oil etc. (Engine oil about 10-15k km interval as in EU this interval is around 20-30k km)
- always after running a car on no speed limit highways when you turn to gas station wait 2-3 min idle to cool turbo charger.
I’ll let you know what my MB Central tell me once I’ll get an answer.
there is not a single 229.71 oil on the US market, not even dealer has it. im not saying its not the right one just simply stating there is nowhere to order or buy.
for anyone interested oil drain plug part number is : 002-990-20-17
I just had the 229.71 0W-20 put in my E53 Coupe. It does exist.
@F1le
i am definitely waiting MB central to reply to you. I agree with you about 0w-20.
Will share for sure, but today my MB-Service mixed my winter wheels, so had to go back to them. I took a guy who told me all AMG should have 0W40 with 229.5 standard, and asked him to check it twice in this engine, because he's saying BS...
He was digging like 5min in his computer and admitted he was WRONG... All engines with particular exhaust filters (53 has got it) they use 229.52 5W30 and yes only 229.51/52/61/71 and allowed are 5W30 (229.51/52) and 0W20 (229.61/71 - which they due to the same reasons I don't want to have - they don't even propose their customers so they fill those cars with 5W30 229.52).
@F1le
i am definitely waiting MB central to reply to you. I agree with you about 0w-20.
Received advice from MB-Central
Even 5W40 are allowed ... everything below is valid, mostly you have to obey norms 229.51/52/61/71 and some 229.51 are even 5W40. Mercedes does not care what viscosity you choose as long as you keep their norms... Spread from 5W40 to 0W20 - mostly 5W30 in 95% cases.
Saying short - if you find 0W40 or 5W40 with 229.51 you can go ahead. Viscosity is #2, just obey any 229.51/52 if you want to protect engine, or 61/71 if you want to be super-eco.
08-04-2019, 10:39 AM
lubrizoladditives360.com/understanding-mb22971
https://youtu.be/YVRf43VD05c
