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Front - 19 x 9 et 25. It will be 18mm closer towards the suspension components.
Rear - 19x10 et 50. It will be 14mm closer towards the suspension components.
1st concern : you will be running staggered setup with around 285 or 295 series winter tires for the rear ... do you want to go this wide ? The brand choice for this wide rear may be limited
2nd concern : as per the calculation, it is a possible fit but an actual test fit is highly recommended still. For the front, I am a bit concern of ice and snow builtup may interfere the wheel and suspension components now that the proposed wheel is 18mm closer towards the suspension, esp. when turning or driving on rough roads.
3rd concern : I am sure those wheels are more $ as long you are okay with your budget. Dont forget you need tpms too.
I tried my local shop last year and they test fit a couple things with no luck. That's when I just picked up the tires that fit and moved on for the season as I had no time left. Anywhere you recommend? I'm in London ON so not too far from you.
here is one of the ad posted by Toto tires (as per my suggested contact)
Mercedes has come out with their winter wheel/tire packages for 2019. If you drop down on E-class sedan and wagon, try to find the appropriate setup for a 2019 E53 sedan. For the life of me I can't find the exact package for my car. They do show a package for 2019 S213 E53 but that's for the station wagon. Also, the tires aren't run-flats, and the standard 19" tires for the E53 are run-flats (I guess I could buy a Tirefit kit). They just don't show a package for a 2019 W213 E53. 2018 yes, but not 2019. Bobblehead, what do you think? Also, Bobblehead, thanks for all your advice given in this thread.
The s213 for e53 mb package is alright to use on yours . Don’t worry about the year. We all know e43 and e53 use the same wheels and tires setup.
The price for the pkg would be $5500 range in Cdn $. If you worry of them being non rf, then yes, get a flat tire kit and a potable electric air pump for emergency use.
Update: Here is the same mentioned dealer package being offered in Canada(except the tires are Pirelli, not Michelin and square setup)
19” Mercedes-Benz factory-approved winter wheel package for the E53 at a promotional sale price of $5555.99 plus HST, installed onto your vehicle. Our regular price is $8996.77 plus HST.
This package is equipped with Pirelli "Winter Sottozero 3" run-flat winter tires 245/40/19 square setup, original 19” Mercedes Benz 5 twin spoke AMG alloy rims, TPMS sensors, and star logo center caps.
These are built using Mercedes-Benz factory original rims, and the tires are marked with “MOE” on the sidewall which indicates Mercedes Original Extended (run-flat) tires. After much aggressive testing, this MOE symbol is only put on the tires which are best suited for the model it is being tested on.
The Mercedes-Benz original wheels are designed and built using premium alloy materials by established well-known wheel manufacturing companies from around the globe (BBS, Borbet, Enkei). They do not require the use of spacers or centering rings, and are 100% guaranteed to fit the application perfectly. Pricing includes complete mount and balancing as well as professional installation onto the vehicle ($139.95 value).
Last edited by bobblehead; Oct 23, 2019 at 10:42 AM.
The link I posted earlier showing winter tire/wheel packages offered by Mercedes (of USA) did not directly show 2019 E53 Sedan. Bobblehead suggested that the package shown under (2017-2018 E43 W213 and 2019-present S213 E53 - one package covering both) would work for the 2019 E53 Sedan. I don't really doubt that, but I called my dealer just to make sure. After some time researching it, they came back and said MB doesn't offer a package for the 2019 E53 Sedan. Suspicious because "why not?". I then called another Chicago area MB dealer who also spent time researching it, and they came back and gave me the part numbers that they said work (Q8409055 and Q8409054). Under the linked page given earlier, these numbers match up with "2016-present E-Sedan W213 (E300, E300 4Matic and E400 4Matic) and 2017-2019 E-Wagon S213 (E400 4Matic)." Both Bobblehead's approved package and the dealer's package seem to have the same wheels, and the rear axle package is the same part number. The tire sizes are 245/40 x 19 front and 275/35 x 19 rear for both, but the front axle package differs. The wheels appear to be the same, though offsets aren't given, but the front tires for the one package are "Michelin Pilot Alpin PA 5 MO" and the other has "Pilot Alpin PA 5 SUV". These may be the exact same tires functionally - they look the same and are described the same - but apparently there is a difference in appearance.
So the issue is still a bit confusing. But if I buy what MB tells me will work, then they're responsible if it doesn't. Thoughts?
Bobblehead, I think you are right and the dealer who gave me the part numbers is wrong. You gave a pass to the 2018 E43 package for my 2019 E53, the dealer said the package for the 2019 E400 4Matic package. I looked up what AMG wheels were sold with the 2019 E-class "saloon" on a site that sells OEM wheels (alloywheelsdirect.com). The rear wheels are the same as the package for the 2018 E43, with offset = 49, just like the E53. However the fronts have offset = 43. The 2018 E43 had front offset = 20, like the E53 does. So I conclude that the 2018 E43 package works for me. The strange thing is that this package has the SUV model of the Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 for the front tires. I'm not sure what's different about the PA 5 SUV vs. the PA 5. I'll call Michelin tomorrow and ask.
The cost of the 2018 E43 package is 3,354 USD. The tires by themselves from tirerack.com are 1,250 USD. So that leaves 2,104 for wheels, or 526 USD per wheel. Yes, it's expensive but there's the peace of mind of knowing you have the exact offsets and true AMG wheels. The alloywheelsdirect.com site sells these wheels for 3,128 USD. So the package saves around 1,000 USD. I have no idea what the dealer would charge for the wheels alone - considerably more than the alloywheelsdirect.com site, I would imagine.
@Rich9300 sounds like you are going with the MB package. At least you can resell them a bit easier when you are done with your car.
btw, the 245/40/19 "SUV" PA5 description is likely an error. There is no such size offered under their SUV sizing
You're right again, Bobblehead, there's no 245/40/19 SUV version of the Alpin 5. Kinda careless of MB.
I checked out the Canadian square version for the 2018 E43. It has 245/40/19 on all 4, with 20 offset front and 43 offset rear. I thought maybe I could "mix and match" through the USA packages to duplicate the Canadian, but no such luck. It looks like the only 43 offsets for the rear come with different wheels that the 20 offset fronts. I doubt that I could substitue within a package without losing the package pricing.
Expensive, yeah. Especially considering that Chicago snows are hardly Canadian snows, and I've already got all-seasons on a 4Matic car. But I like the extra peace of mind that winter tires bring, and I've always done the winter swap (my old rear wheel drive E55 needed snow tires badly). And, it's cheaper overall than if I had popped for the high end sound system. Thanks again for all your help.
Went with these wheels: https://www.braelin.ca/productinfo.aspx?wn=br08&fn=matte+black&v=mercedes-amg_2019_e53_4matic%2b+coupe+(c238)-4matic%2b+coupe+(c238)_s_pp
Using 19" Michelin Pilot Alpin 5's in OEM 19" size. Tried a bunch of 18" nothing fits. Looks like this:
For the Cdn rear setup, I am guessing dealer will use the same front wheel for the rear, hence, going with 245/40/19.
They're not the exact same wheels. I found the Canadian configurator for winter tire/wheel packages. After clicking the link, https://app.tirelocator.ca/national/...G%20-%204MATIC, click on new search, and then look for 2019 E53 sedan. It then lists the entire package item by item, including front and rear wheel part numbers. In searching online for those part numbers, I found that the front wheels have offset 20 and the rears 43. They're both 8" wheels. The page says to call your dealer for pricing. I've copied the page details below:
E43-Class Package
Part #: TATLBQ6029987
2 Wheel - AMG 5-twin-spoke wheel, 48.3 cm (19 inch) Part #: A21340138007X21
4 Tire - Pirelli Winter Sottozero 3 245/40R19 Part #: TPIR2485300W
4 Hub Caps - Hub Caps Part #: B66470202
2 Wheel - 19" AMG 5-Twn Spoke Wheel Part #: A21340120007X21
2 TPMS Sensor - TPMS Sensor Part #: A0009052102
2 Valve - Valve Part #: A0004015904
Bobblehead, my trusted advisor, what do you think of this setup? I'm using your original recommendation of RTX Envy wheels and going square:
Front: 245/40/19 Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 on RTX, ENVY, 19 x 8.5, 5 x 112, offset 21, 66.6, MGM (# 081762)
Rear: 245/40/19 Michelin Pilot Alpin 5 on RTX, ENVY, 19 x 8.5, 5 x 112, offset 40, 66.6, MGM (# 081532)
This essentially gives me the Canadian MB-approved square option without the expensive AMG wheels (and without run-flats). The offsets are only slightly off the Canadian MB - instead of 20 offset in front, this package has 21. Instead of 43 offset in rear, this package has 40. Do you see any fitment problems? According to my online calculator, the front rim will be 7mm closer to the suspension components, and the front tire will be 1 mm closer.
according to Carid.com, the RTX Envy wheels are being suggested as not proper fitment onto the E43/53. The offset for front & rear should work in theory (by calc.) without issue. I can only say an actual test fitting is recommend and better required. I just don't know if any shops in your area can do this for you, like ordering 1 front and 1 rear to ensure it does clear.
Then according to Carid.com, wheels they say it will fit, for example, Niche M203 Vosso (just one of many examples they say it will fit the E43/53), front: 19x8.5 et 25. This will result of having 11mm (0.43 inch) closer to the front suspension component. I think it would be okay by using @Gerry_T stated setup of running 19x9.5 et 35 square. His setup for the front results of having 34mm closer to the front suspension component as he indicated it was an very tight fit. Therefore, in theory, this Niche M203 wheel should work (with Carid.com suggesting a guaranteed fit). As for the rear, Carid.com suggests 19x9.5 et 38 and this poses no concern with suspension clearance. Such setup then will require you to run staggered tires. In my opinion, i feel it's alright to run staggered anyway to better suit the E43 characteristics.
Suppose the RTX Envy wheels do fit (from actual testing) and no issue, running square setup will not enable you to rotate the tires anyway as the front & rear wheels have different offset.
Bottom line seems to come down to these choices of going thru the hassle with the RTX Envy (just to be sure) or take the words of Carid.com and go with Niche M203 as it promises as correct fitment. If time is running really short, then I would suggest to go with Niche M203 and staggered setup. I am not sure if my suggestion is what you are looking for but I will certainly give you my opinion as I see it.
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Lastly, I went to RTX's own website and it says their Mystique wheel will fit the E43/53 but Carid.com says they will not. My thinking is "what the hell ..."
If I buy what MBUSA recommends for the front of the W213 E400 4Matic and use it for the rear, and buy their E43 front package for the front, I should be able to duplicate the Canadian square setup with 245/40/19 all around. The front would then have 20 offset and the rears 43, and there are no fitment issues with this setup. I am trying to find out if my assumption is correct by calling MB dealers, since their package info is short on details, like offsets. So far, none of the three dealers I called have a ready answer. The 2019 non-AMG E-class models all have square setups with 43 offsets all around. The wheels for these two packages seem to match, pic looks the same.
Alternatively, I could go with the square Envy setup that I asked about earlier. That should work and be cheaper, but fitment is not 100% assured. I have asked RTX and am waiting for an answer. One hopeful sign is that tirerack.com offers 8.5 inch wheels with 25 offset all around in a 245/40/19 square setup. If tirerack says it fits, it almost certainly fits. But their setup is not as close a fit as using Envy wheels with 21 offset front and 40 rear.
I guess I prefer the square setup because the narrower rear tire should be better for traction in the snow, and it's the MB Canadian package, where snow is a more important issue.
Last edited by Rich9300; Oct 27, 2019 at 04:09 AM.
If it does not cost you a dime on this bet .. and as long the offsets as I have indicated are being used, then technically, the 19" Envy should fit. Besides, this wheel does not have deep concavity on the face so I would be puzzled if it does not fit.
Last edited by bobblehead; Oct 29, 2019 at 07:47 AM.
Yes. I've been waiting until it's all settled but here's an update. I contacted the Chicago area's distributor for RTX wheels (various Discount Tire stores) and gave them the number of the wheels I wanted (Envy 19 x 8.5 with 21 offset front and 40 rear, for 245/40/19 tires all around). He contacted his distributor for RTX, or maybe RTX directly, and was told they would not fit my car. He was told by his wheel source that the only solution to fit my car was a 20" solution, something about Mandrus, I didn't listen too carefully because I didn't want 20" wheels. I'm pretty sure they're wrong about Envy not fitting, but he wasn't inclined to argue with his sources.
So then I went back to the MBUSA packages - package BQ8402564 for the front (AMG wheels with 20 offset) and BQ8409054 (same AMG wheel with 43 offset), for a square 245/40/19 setup. Tnis is the Canadian package, except the Canadian package has Pirelli Sottozero 3 winter tires and the MBUSA packages have Michelin PA5. I found a cooperative Mercedes dealer parts guy in the area who seemed pretty diligent about finding out about what's in the packages. After a day he called and said that Mercedes has no front packages left (the BQ8402564 mentioned above, which is recommended for the E43) and they're not making any more this season. But winter hasn't even started, I said. He said that they only make so many because they took a bath on having a lot of packages left over after a recent mild winter and they don't want to be stuck again. They did have the other package. Tired of all the screwing around, I said buy the one package and make me the other package from parts. It looks like putting together the front package will cost about 760 extra (380 each) over the package price. He quoted me a hard price of 2,550 to duplicate the front wheel packages from parts, and that includes sales tax and the TPMS sensors. At least I will have AMG wheels and a fit with absolutely no issues. I just hope it all works out, since it's still a work in progress.
Expensive? Oh God, yeah! So I'm hoping for a record-breaking snowy winter for Chicago to justify the cost. And at my age, this will probably be my last nice car - I kept my 2001 E55 for 18 years, and I'm 71 now, You can't take it with you!
Things are looking up, weather wise. We've had about 3 inches of snow already in Chicago. Keep it coming!
thanks for the update. That's one epic fail for aftermarket wheel dealers, manuf and MB dealer in so many ways.
At least your stress and headaches are coming to an end.
I went thru pretty well the exact same thing 2 yrs ago on the E63 winter setup. Didn't want any real cheapy or ultra mega expensive forged wheels.. in the end, I went dealer setup as well and paid a fortune.
i am truly puzzled with the “won’t fit” excuse the shop and manufacturer gave as the rtx envy offsets are the closest to factory spec. and the wheel face does not have deep concavity which could affect the brake caliper clearance. I really wonder if the wheel manufacturer has even test fit their wheel onto the e43 or e53 at all to make that “won’t fit” claim.
Last edited by bobblehead; Nov 2, 2019 at 06:29 PM.
Yeah, if it doesn't snow enough down here I may be making a trip to the Great White North to justify all this. Might be a nice idea even if it does snow a lot here.
Today I got my winter wheels and tires installed. It's what I've been calling the Canadian solution: AMG 5 twin spoke high sheen with black accents wheels all around, fronts are 8J x 19 ET20 and the rears are 8J x 19 ET43. The tires are Michelin Pilot Alpin 5's 245/40 x 19 all around. The rear wheels and tires were offered by Mercedes as a "winter package" and you get a break on price that way - they cost 775 USD each. Unfortunately, Mercedes had sold out of the front winter packages so my dealer duplicated the packages from parts - more expensive, each cost 1,180 USD. Mounting and balancing the two fronts and installing all four added another 118.80 USD. The grand total was 4,028.80 USD, excluding sales tax. With that much invested, I'm hoping for LOTS of snow this season.
I had spoken to three Mercedes dealers about this issue. The only dealer who went out of their way to help was Mercedes Benz of St. Charles (Illinois). I recommend their parts department very highly.
Thanks to all who responded to this thread, especially bobblehead!
Yay ... The search is really over !! Hope you did not end up with more grey hairs from this fiasco.
Sometimes I wonder why mb Amg wheels come in such weird offsets to begin with. There are obviously aftermarket wheels that will work but if one is to go for the closest match offset to oem, it’s like climbing Mt Everest 😄
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