PeterUbers

Curious if I should take a look at new inventory

thx

Wolfman

Hang tight. Looks like the March sales taking a big hit. If the drop is indeed 36% over last year as forecast, then trunk money/finance & lease incentives will start rolling in from MBUSA in April and continue...
https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/stor...1-2202B275CA7E

ronin amg

Ahh the vultures circling their next meal..

Vic55

Most dealers with MBFS as their flooring agent received 90 days no curtailments/no interest due to COVID. So some stores might hold to their inventory since its not costing them anything and hope for a return to normal sooner than later. My friends locally said they wont take "diggers" which would normally mean well back of triple net. Im betting certain heavy units aka paper weights will get trunk or even hood money in April- for me personally Im guessing on the AMG GT63S since stores still have 19's hitting birthdays.

If you are really hungry for an E63S find a smaller remote store that has that 1 car or 2 max on the lot where they have to get rid of it because its older in inventory and they are not getting flooring assistance.

BACnMercedes

I’m circling but not finding much just yet. Some will not even return my questions, emails, or calls. I’m hoping they are just out of the office right now.

taphil

Is 20% off MSRP doable?

BACnMercedes

I doubt it but you don’t know till you ask. All they can do is say no.
Good luck and we will be here waiting to here back.

taphil

I can wait for the economic outlook to get more grim.

Wolfman

To Vic's point, the deferral takes immediate pressure off the dealers to move metal. The other unknown is how much inventory is actually in the pipeline. Since manufacturing operations ceased, they may not discount as much as if nothing comes in to replace it.

Or get a BMW M8 Competition You can snap up some great deals. Plus it's a quick ride. Limeypride just got his GC and it runs 2.92 to 60, with JB4 (2.59 to 60 and 10.51/131mph). Can't wait to get our snows off the car

Vic55

Franchises will hold their gross for the time being. Now if you find a clean slightly used car at a highline independent lot; you could hit a homerun. Here in Orange County we have quite a few of those with cars still holding about 50-75% or more of the factory warranty. But these indy points dont get factory support or brick and mortar forgiveness plus their flooring lines run higher rates so they could feasibly dump a unit for much less than asking. This is of course if one is interested in a used car.

Vic55

Thats a tall order when the dealer paid 88% (trip net) of the msrp or maybe even less off to MBUSA via their flooring line. 8% past triple net is a big ask unless there is money in the trunk and that wont be on an AMG of this forums caliber. As I had mentioned earlier, find that one older sitting car that checks enough of your boxes and is with a remote single point store and fire off your bid. All the big boys where I live including the biggest store in the world Benz wise are just sitting on their cars and refusing new allocations on immovable objects like the GT63S's LOL.

MuffinFlavored

“is with a remote single point store”

what does that mean?

MuffinFlavored

what downsides really come with a used car in this scenario? yeah, somebody farted in it before you but you’re getting a $120-130k car for $80-$90k, right?

Vic55

Small market non large auto group store--- sans autonation, lithia, group one, berkshire, hendricks, etc

Vic55

Well there is more than that LOL.

Personally, I like to buy a car brand new to break it in my way and know 100% that I am the one who drove it the way I do from day 1. But sometimes common sense must prevail and even though money is relative there are many cars that I would take with a few ticks on the clock vs buying brand new. EG: McLaren (with at least 2 plus years warranty intact), Porsche 911 Turbo's (engine is so well built), Bentley (LOL I had to add this), and other unique depreciating bucket models.

FastWgn

Maybe this has been covered before, but curious. - why is the GT63s an immovable object? Is the competition (Panamerra etc) too hard? Is it "too much of a normal MB for normal people" to justify the premium etc? Quality issues? Design? Just curious.

kponti

How many "normal people" spend -$200k on a daily driver?

Vic55

Economics---the price point is frankly stupid. Panamera Turbos and the Turbo S Hybrids have suffered the same fate. I dont think there is anything wrong in regards to performance or quality as a whole; further the car to me, is very aggressive and unique. But money is money and right now its even more important that ever and this car wasnt selling even before this shi t hit.

FastWgn

Cool- thank you .Makes sense.
I personally struggle with $200k "family cars".... Maybe i'm old fashioned....

And like you said, if it was hard to move them before this ****show, it will be impossible after it....

chassis

There are a few discussions on this topic on a couple of car enthusiast sites- will prices drop on certain models?

I don’t see prices dropping on new, unsold vehicles. My local dealer has examples of high performance AMG models sitting in the showroom for a year or more. In most cities these are one off, or very low volume units.

Where I see prices softening is in lease returns. If the economic climate deteriorates, there will less demand for vehicles that are coming into the supply pool.

Furthermore, the E63 sedan and wagon are in demand vs similar models from other brands, so I will be surprised if deals are found.

Garden variety S-Class pricing looks very soft to me, for a recent model W222 S4xx or S5xx.

Wolfman

Agree on the used car side; this will likely take a beating. Even before COVID-19, the used M5 market was soft and used ones could be had starting in the sixties. We turned our E63s back in (lease), dealer decided to keep the car for sale and sold it just within a couple of days...

24Hours

chassis

Another corollary to the old chestnut of supply and demand. New vehicles are, in the short term, in short supply because of factory shutdowns. For those buyers for must, for reasons known only to them, have a new vehicle, dealer stock is the only short term option. To me this keeps new vehicle pricing firm, or even drives it a bit higher.

taphil

I'll wait it out. If I survive this pandemic (I'm in a super high risk profession, anesthesiologist), it remains to be seen if there's anyone left out there with a job or business who needs to own a car and drive themselves.

MuffinFlavored

do you struggle with $120k family cars? lol