consensus is power and trans is the same as our 63S's any power hike would be in bold on the front page of any advertisement

 

Yeh MB is too lazy and indifferent re E63 to make a 'Final Edition' with some chops.

 

Still confused:
Is the 2023 E63s Final Edition just an option on top of the Premium Package?
(A sticker on each side and a few badges)
OR is the finally edition really 999 vehicles allotted to a few special customers?
Been poking around on the MB USA site, no information or Build Guide at all.
Reading this thread it seems like carbon brakes are a big deal, heads and shoulders above
steel brakes.
Is the optional carbo brakes identified by yellow calipers rather then red?
(New to AMG)

 

You wont feel much difference on the road for carbon brakes.
yellow = ccb , red = steel
they look cool , dust free and better resale value

 

Yeah, I have been happy with my steel brakes the last 50 years, never knew I needed carbon.
(Like a cave man never missing a TV: He never even heard of it and he was happy killing his dinner and
doing the old lady when the sun went down: Life was good, ugh..)

 

What the CCBs primarily do is reduce some unsprung weight, which is good for handling and vehicle dynamics, and be more resistant to fade under hard repeated breaking. Both of these are of little relevance for the kind of daily driving most people do and the reduction of weight is rather pointless on a heavy car like this. The CCBs don't actually stop better. On the contrary, especially when it's cold outside they are worse than steel brakes in terms of stopping distance until you get some heat in them. They are primarily made for track use to deal with the heat that could make regular steel brakes fade. There's some argument to be made for them on heavy cars as the brakes generate a lot more heat to stop a 4500+ lbs car, but unless you do repeat emergency brakes from 150 mph, you likely won't have an issue with the steel brakes.

While they can last the lifetime of the car if only driven in normal traffic, they are very expensive if you do have to replace them and they are prone to cracking if they get hit by road debris, which again will get expensive. We are talking in the neighborhood of $10k for a new set. This is also why many track junkies actually use steel brakes, because on the track the CCBs only last a fraction of the advertised lifetime, so it'll get expensive quickly.

 

Thx, good info.
Steel brakes is all I need.
Will never do no tracks..
Although a few spins on famous track like the Nuremberg ring would be fine and dandy, it probably won't happen:
I spent all my working life flying airplanes and got enough speed and adrenaline kicks doing just that: The 179 mph speed limited velocity on an E63s equals
the take-off speed on a loaded 747, been there, done that.
Next chapter will be low and almost slow piloting an E63 in Florida on days off.

 

Anyone in the US, actually have a confirmed PO for a final edition E63 wagon?

 

This is not public information. This is internal confidential information. AMG don't want to recertify for 999 car.

But trust me, the Final Edition Will be Mechanically tuned...At least at the software level (boost, ECU, trans prog etc.)

 

^ LOL...some dude on the internet said so, so it must be true...

 

Where did I mention getting the info from the net? I have the info from my AMG technician who received the info by internal communication from AMG.

When you have nothing intelligent to write, it would be better to continue to let people who know what they are talking about discuss and keep their mouths shut.

 

I think he meant you’re the dude on the internet.

Without physical or mechanical changes, I’m not sure the value of anything MB might do. 8 of the 9 dealerships I’ve had my cars serviced at were willing to install canned tunes for me. It’s my position that the aftermarket guys are less conservative in their profiles than MB would be, so any tune from MB would be superfluous since I’m just going to load an aftermarket anyway.

 

Yeah, I think some folks are putting too much faith in these last edition vehicles. The truth is management didn't wanna do them. It was a few employees at AMG that pushed for them, but they are cosmetic editions with parts out of the part bins. There's nothing truly special about them. However, it does appear they retuned the exhaust as evidenced by the first deliveries of the C63S Last Edition. The pop & bangs are kinda back more similar to the PFL. Curious if that might become available as an update for existing models, but we'll have to see. No power increase or anything. Just more artificial pops & bangs, which personally I'm not really a fan of anyway. Basically a burble tune from the factory.

 

Uh, you're posting on an open forum. It is illegal to import a production vehicle that has not passed certification for California CCB, etc. I really doubt that there are any engine mods that change the published hp or emissions. Perhaps the exhaust note might be enhanced for sales outside of the EU.

 

The 'Final Edition' as it stands now is a total disgrace of an effort by MB. Embarrassing. Most intriguing element of the whole package is the forged wheel with black accents instead of grey.

 

The package is just that. In the EU and Canada, it is a package added to other options for the vehicle. It's only in the US that it is standalone bare w/o mods. Sigh!

 

Does the AMG cars have various "modes" like a regular MB: Comfort, Sport, Sport+, etc?
(Doubt there is an Eco mode,)
If there is a Comfort Mode, does that quiet the exhaust down, or will a burble tune always be there?
Asking because I hate noise, test drove a Volvo Polestar Wagon some 10-11 years ago, hoping it would
be my future toy-car, but it was tuned to sound like a souped up Mustang, too much noise, no class.
(My E-500 Wagon was smooth, powerful and quiet, hoping an E63s, maybe the Final Edition would be the same, if I can
find one)
Dear Santa, please find me one, and make it quiet and powerful, like yours truly.

 

When you back up your claims with something of substance rather than providing third hand heresay, I'll pay attention. Otherwise you are just some dude on the internet.

 

Aren't we all?

 

Very few of us are making wild claims...

 

Yes, of course it has the different modes. Correct, there's no Eco mode, but there's Comfort, Sport, Sport+ and Race (S and above only). The FLs have a new Slippery mode below Comfort now, too. There's also a dedicated button to control the exhaust, so in any mode you can tame the exhaust by pressing that button, or open it up. In Slippery, Comfort and Sport mode the exhaust is on the quiet setting and in Sport+ and Race it's in the "loud" setting, but as said you can just press the button to toggle the exhaust mode by itself. However, the pops & bangs typically only occur if the engine is also in Sport+ or Race, in the other modes the exhaust just gets louder but doesn't pop.

 

I'm just reporting what my AMG tech gave me as info.

He is a friend and a mechanic with the highest brand certification.

All the information he gave me (updates, technical details etc.) always turned out to be true. If he tells me that AMG transmitted, via confidential internal note, that the final edition will receive special mechanical programming, I have no reason to doubt it. Do you really believe that the manufacturer never bypasses the regulation & certification (Diesel gate doesn't mean anything to you ?)

I have information, I share it, that's the purpose of a forum. For the rest, IDGAF !

 

I was referring more to warranty liability, but thank you for insulting my intelligence.

This little corner of the forum has many enthusiasts and, as such, many of us have cultivated relationships with our service shop foremen and/or technicians. If one were trying to be helpful, they might share from where their source’s information was derived so the rest of us could “beat the bushes”. I would offer that for many of us, having watched how terribly MB has communicated internally and externally over the last almost three years, it’ll take something pretty substantive for us to believe they’d do anything that would impact so few units (other than a money-grab, which is all many of us believe the “Final Edition” is).

 

...for which VW has paid out over $30 billion. So, no, I do not believe AMG is going to secretly increase output and emissions and only tell 'your friend' about it.

 

I would have to agree. Any changes would require recertification which is very expensive not to mention it would take quite a while to get done. Just not economically viable without jacking up the cost per vehicle significantly.