W213 E63s RMS Leak
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totally agree. But principle aside, 30 hrs of labor and it seems the engine needs to come out for the repair means you have to pray every last nut gasket and hose is connected properly when it all goes back in. Say you’re out of warranty and parts are scarce or back ordered. I won’t be happy with an oil leak but if it doesn’t lead to something catastrophic I guess I’ll buy an absorbent mat for the garage floor before I’d ask an Indy to pull the engine. But absolutely none of us should have to worry about a seal leaking in a engine that costs tens of thousands of dollars
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In these days and age, finding parts are no longer easy. My car was in the shop for exactly 1 month waiting one part to arrive at a time. Car rental cost me well over $1,000 and dealer had already picked up a small portion of the bill as well (as goodwill). My thinking was pay now or pay a lot more later. 😊
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Thanks for the photos. The rear engine block bulkhead needs to come out to replace the RMS, and a necessary prior step is to separate the transmission from the engine. WiS calls for engine removal in this case, evidently also the transmission or the shop decided to additionally remove the transmission with the engine. It's always easier to work on the engine out of the vehicle vs. in the vehicle. The decision needs to be made the the shop or manufacturer whether achieving "easy" is worth doing all of the precursor work to remove the engine first.
The oil separators are visible in the photo of the engine on the stand. So close, yet so far away (separators on backorder)...
Interesting plastic windage tray and oil pickup.
The oil separators are visible in the photo of the engine on the stand. So close, yet so far away (separators on backorder)...
Interesting plastic windage tray and oil pickup.
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Out of curiosity I called another Mercedes dealer to see if they happened to have oil separators in stock, and they said they were NOT on backorder and were available in the warehouse and could get them in 2-3 days. I told the Chevy dealer about this, and they said they would contact that dealer again (happened to be the same one they called in the first place and were apparently told there on backorder) Got contacted today by service manager saying they are not going to be replacing the separators for me because 1) they aren't leaking, 2) they have all the other parts for their technician to start putting the car back together (been apart for almost 2 weeks) 3) It wasn't on the original $9650 quote that I got from Mercedes to have them replaced. So unfortunately the Chevy dealer is not going to be doing the oil separators for me while the engine is out of the car. But I should be getting it back in a day or so. I have not made up my mind as to whether I'm going to bring it to a local indy shop and have them do the separators after just having the RMS done. I just want to drive the damn thing!!
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Out of curiosity I called another Mercedes dealer to see if they happened to have oil separators in stock, and they said they were NOT on backorder and were available in the warehouse and could get them in 2-3 days. I told the Chevy dealer about this, and they said they would contact that dealer again (happened to be the same one they called in the first place and were apparently told there on backorder) Got contacted today by service manager saying they are not going to be replacing the separators for me because 1) they aren't leaking, 2) they have all the other parts for their technician to start putting the car back together (been apart for almost 2 weeks) 3) It wasn't on the original $9650 quote that I got from Mercedes to have them replaced. So unfortunately the Chevy dealer is not going to be doing the oil separators for me while the engine is out of the car. But I should be getting it back in a day or so. I have not made up my mind as to whether I'm going to bring it to a local indy shop and have them do the separators after just having the RMS done. I just want to drive the damn thing!!
The separators are not leaking because...they are plugged!
If you do decide to have the separators replaced, it would help other owners if you could post the new part number, and the old part number (one that is on your car now). This would indicate if MB has made any changes. Part number change means something about the part has changed.
Last edited by chassis; Apr 4, 2023 at 07:03 AM.
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My suggestion is to drive over to the Mercedes dealer and buy the separators. Take them over to the Chevy dealer and have them put them on. You can negotiate with the service manager for a reasonable fee for the added labor. Doing them later will be more expensive as they have it apart now.
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^ makes total sense (since they have the tranny & engine out already). It will cost you a lot more in the future + tons of inconveniences and time wasted
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My suggestion is to drive over to the Mercedes dealer and buy the separators. Take them over to the Chevy dealer and have them put them on. You can negotiate with the service manager for a reasonable fee for the added labor. Doing them later will be more expensive as they have it apart now.
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The slippery MB (scummy) policy slope to be aware of is that MB might pay for new separators if they fail and if they agree to cover them under emissions warranty. Whether or not collateral damage (rear main crankshaft oil seal) is also covered is a question to be answered. Search for the other thread and message the owners for their experience.
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https://app.truvideo.com/v/mcTJSrXS?...b9pt2y7xrakBI=
Even porsche cayenne has the separators failed … this example failed at 50,000 miles. The guy on the video said the parts are emissions and yet said no warranty due to mileage.
Even porsche cayenne has the separators failed … this example failed at 50,000 miles. The guy on the video said the parts are emissions and yet said no warranty due to mileage.
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Well, got the car back from Chevy on Friday. Everything seems good at the moment, only thing I notice is a bit of a engine inside the cabin down near the left foot well where the hood release is, could just be in my head though, its only when i step on and off the gas and engine rpms vary and at low speeds is it noticeable. I still have to get the oil separators changed. The dealer does have them but ONLY the separators, apparently the whole assembly with the vent lines and v-ribbed belt is on backorder. The whole assembly that is on backorder is a little over $1000, compared to just the left and right separators is under $600. Do I HAVE to replace the vent lines and ribbed belt aswell? That is what Id like to do but Ive never seen a full parts diagram of what this looks like and if that is susceptible to being clogged or if just doing the separators is enough.
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Well, got the car back from Chevy on Friday. Everything seems good at the moment, only thing I notice is a bit of a engine inside the cabin down near the left foot well where the hood release is, could just be in my head though, its only when i step on and off the gas and engine rpms vary and at low speeds is it noticeable. I still have to get the oil separators changed. The dealer does have them but ONLY the separators, apparently the whole assembly with the vent lines and v-ribbed belt is on backorder. The whole assembly that is on backorder is a little over $1000, compared to just the left and right separators is under $600. Do I HAVE to replace the vent lines and ribbed belt aswell? That is what Id like to do but Ive never seen a full parts diagram of what this looks like and if that is susceptible to being clogged or if just doing the separators is enough.
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Well, got the car back from Chevy on Friday. Everything seems good at the moment, only thing I notice is a bit of a engine inside the cabin down near the left foot well where the hood release is, could just be in my head though, its only when i step on and off the gas and engine rpms vary and at low speeds is it noticeable. I still have to get the oil separators changed. The dealer does have them but ONLY the separators, apparently the whole assembly with the vent lines and v-ribbed belt is on backorder. The whole assembly that is on backorder is a little over $1000, compared to just the left and right separators is under $600. Do I HAVE to replace the vent lines and ribbed belt aswell? That is what Id like to do but Ive never seen a full parts diagram of what this looks like and if that is susceptible to being clogged or if just doing the separators is enough.
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Well, got the car back from Chevy on Friday. Everything seems good at the moment, only thing I notice is a bit of a engine inside the cabin down near the left foot well where the hood release is, could just be in my head though, its only when i step on and off the gas and engine rpms vary and at low speeds is it noticeable. I still have to get the oil separators changed. The dealer does have them but ONLY the separators, apparently the whole assembly with the vent lines and v-ribbed belt is on backorder. The whole assembly that is on backorder is a little over $1000, compared to just the left and right separators is under $600. Do I HAVE to replace the vent lines and ribbed belt aswell? That is what Id like to do but Ive never seen a full parts diagram of what this looks like and if that is susceptible to being clogged or if just doing the separators is enough.
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Anyone whos looking to buy a E63 w213 should definitely look into if the vehicle has replaced RMS. This is way too common and its not a if you're going to have to replace it, more like a when.
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Porsche EA825 4.0L TT V8 engines are starting to show some vapor separator failures. No RMS failure but CEL and misfire requiring dealer visit. Customer pays for separator replacement if out of warranty.
