superswiss

I will say this. I have driven the EQS 580 sedan and then the EQS 53 sedan a few months later. The AMG EQ are different cars. The 580 to say it plainly was garbage. I've never driven a vaguer car. Terrible steering and braking feel. The EQS 53 was much better. Still big and heavy, though. As for the EQE, first off SUVs suck, period. I drove the EQE 53 sedan and actually liked it. The driving position is similar to my C63S coupe with that cockpit feel. It's actually kinda the first sedan that impressed me with the driving position. High shoulder line, combined with an overall cockpit feel. The one I drove didn't have the Hyperscreen and I actually preferred it. Car felt very solid and I found myself somewhat impressed and more optimistic about the EV future. While still heavy, it weighs significantly less than the EQS and that was noticeable.

I know OP is asking about the E63, but I think many feel similarly about the last generation of V8s. I plan to keep my 2019 C63S coupe for a while. Thankfully I only drive about 5k miles annually nowadays, so that keeps the miles down. Warranty just expired earlier this month, but I have no qualm hanging on to it. It's been a phenomenal car. I've driven the new E Performance models, specifically the GT 63 S E Performance and compared it to the regular GT 63 S for an apples to apples comparison, and the E Performance simply sucked. All that added weight made it worse. Yes, it has an insane 800 hp, but that doesn't make it better. Not to mention the inevitable high repair costs down the line to keep this complicated powertrain running past the warranty. Not cars I'd want to keep for a a long period. EVs at least are simpler and they've already proven that they can last many years, although the battery will just keep degrading, so with the current battery technology I don't see myself wanting to own an EV long term.

The longer I think about where the future of cars is heading the more likely it seems that I end up going carless rather than owning what is increasingly becoming an appliance. I just can't really get myself to spend six figures on a soulless electric car.

And just to be clear, it wasn't just a test drive with the EQE 53. I drove both the EQS 53 and EQE 53 at AMG Driving Academy events in Europe. This one was in Austria during the winter. It was all supposed to be in the snow, but unfortunately the weather had other plans. Left to right C63S coupe, EQE 53 and A45S.

benzbell

Yep. They need lots of suckers to buy these piles of crap to work the bugs out and develop them further. Even the MB website has all electric on the home page now and continually pushes the "electric dream days" sales event. I will say in their defense AMG isn't building battery powered porkers because they want to. Like all manufacturers they are being "forced" into this by legislation which is even a larger fraud in and of itself. Less cow farts and more EVs to save the planet.

HBerman

The "bow" design of the EV sedans reminds me of the Ford Taurus when it first arrived. Both evoke images to me of a jelly bean. At least the SUV has a better side profile and reasonable cargo capacity compared with my wagon. Regarding the diving position, the steering wheel blocked several indicators on the driver's screen and the interior looked like a mad designer had been let loose with different display panels glued in place. The AMG variant can only add bling to the interior with lighted seat backs as a highlight! Wow! I also noticed that there were no assist handles on any EQE sedan or SUV. Must have at least 4 lbs in weight savings.

superswiss

The reason for that might not be obvious at first, but the grab handles are missing from coupes and lower sport cars, too. This is because in order to add the handle, the roof has to be higher up. By leaving the handle out, the roof line can be lower helping with aerodynamics. I've primarily owned coupes which generally have a lower roof line, and none of them had the handles while the sedan counterpart had them and you could see that the sedan had more space between where the window ended and where the roof started resulting in a higher roof line.

HBerman

Interesting, but in this case the lower optioned EQS SUV had no handles, but the EQS 580 had handles. Just looked like penny pinching. I understand the issue with coupes and low rooflines, but an SUV is not in that design constraint IMO.

superswiss

I'm confused about which cars you are comparing. As far as I can see from the online configurator the EQE and EQS sedans don't have the grab handle. The EQS SUV has it, but the EQE SUV doesn't have it, either. The EQS SUV is a bigger/taller car, than the EQE SUV. Not sure why they left it out in the EQE SUV, but not in the EQS SUV. Generally though, aerodynamics is even more important in EVs, so I'd say the roofline is as low as it can be. I guess in the EQS SUV it still left room for the grab handles.

taphil

I bought a used 2014 E63 in 2015 because it was my dream car. I thought I would keep it for a long time…the last of the big displacement V8 German muscle…

Then I had a bad day at work. Said fk it, I want a new car and bought a new 2021 off the lot after the V8 was supposedly discontinued.

Now the V8 really is discontinued. In a sedan anyway. SUVs can bypass any fuel efficiency mandates

So who knows? Until something better comes along and I have another bad day

I.T. Guy

At least 6 yrs and 160,000 kms

I put 27,000/yr on the 2016 Wagon (put in service 2015) it’s currently at 185,000 and estimated the same on the 2023. I bough the 2yr warranty that takes it to 2029. I didn’t do the 3yr as It’ll likely hit 160,000 sooner. And this time I’m not missing a picture at 80085.

A buddy had his 430, SL65, and W212 Wagon out today within an hour of each other and said his wagon was the favorite “effortless domination without any fanfare or attention”.

I agree! I ripped it in my old car today, exhaust is LOUD downshifts in sport+ are FANTASTIC stop at a light everyone is looking for THE CAR and looks right through me. I’m sitting right there.

Pedal to the metal!

Keith66

That's awesome. I'm a huge fan of the sleeper effect!

sakodik

I bought a 21 E63 out of fear there will be no more V8. Wish I waited for the 2023s but no biggie. Now we got two E63, 212/213, and the only thing keeping me from selling the older E63 is that nice cold start in the morning. The 5.5 rumble is just so much better in sound compared to the 4.0. For everything else, the 213 has the advantage; nicer camera, digital IC/info, MPG improvement.

With that said, the w212 is going on my 7th year ownership and its about time to let it go. With the news about the engine, my 213 will be sold around 2030, or a keeper V8 DD.

Ed99

I think I will be keeping mine for a long time until there is another better pure daily driver saloon that can spank some supercars lol. Very happy with this beast in terms of exterior and interior looks and drivability. I always tell everyone that this generation E63s is the one and only car you ever need. Has pretty much everything you want in a super fast car that can haul 5 people and 3 large luggage in the trunk. And has 2 personalities....you can cruise like a businessman in it and if you want some fun you can easily light up the tires. I know I might get some heat on this statement but the E63s has some similarities when I drove the Porsche 991.2 Turbo.