Small oil leak
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Small oil leak
An very small oil leak has just started on my 2019 E63S AMG with 42,000 miles. Just had my oil changed and the technician noted that the oil was exiting through the under carriage covers mid way back. HOPE it's NOT a rear crank seal🤞...LOTS of labor to replace a $25.00 seal! I've also seen that there was a recall notice on some vin's in model years '18/'19 for leaking oil feed lines to the turbochargers. Any ideas or comments would be appreciated 👍👊
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An very small oil leak has just started on my 2019 E63S AMG with 42,000 miles. Just had my oil changed and the technician noted that the oil was exiting through the under carriage covers mid way back. HOPE it's NOT a rear crank seal🤞...LOTS of labor to replace a $25.00 seal! I've also seen that there was a recall notice on some vin's in model years '18/'19 for leaking oil feed lines to the turbochargers. Any ideas or comments would be appreciated 👍👊
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Trying to arrange it. The shop technician that just performed my A service said he would need it for a day to remove the undercarriage shields and trace...AND I just sent an email to Affalterbach to get an explanation of why the RMS issue hasn't been acknowledged. ONE MAN ONE ENGINE😉
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Trying to arrange it. The shop technician that just performed my A service said he would need it for a day to remove the undercarriage shields and trace...AND I just sent an email to Affalterbach to get an explanation of why the RMS issue hasn't been acknowledged. ONE MAN ONE ENGINE😉
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An very small oil leak has just started on my 2019 E63S AMG with 42,000 miles. Just had my oil changed and the technician noted that the oil was exiting through the under carriage covers mid way back. HOPE it's NOT a rear crank seal🤞...LOTS of labor to replace a $25.00 seal! I've also seen that there was a recall notice on some vin's in model years '18/'19 for leaking oil feed lines to the turbochargers. Any ideas or comments would be appreciated 👍👊
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My local Mercedes Benz dealer in Atlanta just notified me that "YOU GUESSED IT", the REAR MAIN SEAL as well as the OIL SEPARATORS are leaking! HOW can AMG simply IGNORE this KNOWN ISSUE!!!!!
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QUESTION...Has ANYONE made ACTUAL contact with Mercedes Benz USA concerning the KNOWN M177 engine oil separator/rear main seal leak issues?? I find it hard to believe that it hasn't become a legal issue if it is this common. AMG must have an executive assigned to this very important segment of their client base. Anyone know who that might be?
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that’s way too much $. Is there another mb dealer you can try ?
parts are not that expensive. I was charged with just shy of 30 labor hrs in total. (Tranny and engine came out)
parts are not that expensive. I was charged with just shy of 30 labor hrs in total. (Tranny and engine came out)
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Hrs are the same as mine.
i am in Canada, my mb dealer rate is $186 Cdn .. that’s about $135 US (converted). That’s more than doubled to Cdn mb dealer. 😬. No wonder the quote comes in at $10,000
i am in Canada, my mb dealer rate is $186 Cdn .. that’s about $135 US (converted). That’s more than doubled to Cdn mb dealer. 😬. No wonder the quote comes in at $10,000
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https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...s-leak-11.html
post # 271 .... the picture shows the labor rate is $189 per hr
so, OP should try another MB dealer for quote, IMO.
post # 271 .... the picture shows the labor rate is $189 per hr
so, OP should try another MB dealer for quote, IMO.
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post # 271 .... the picture shows the labor rate is $189 per hr
so, OP should try another MB dealer for quote, IMO.
post # 271 .... the picture shows the labor rate is $189 per hr
so, OP should try another MB dealer for quote, IMO.
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After reading MULTIPLE threads on my W213/M177 RMS OIL LEAK, here are my conclusions:
(1) The predominant M177 AMG automobiles affected are from model years 2018 and 2019 E63S's, G63's and AMG GT's.
(2) The leaking begins at around the 40,000 mile mark which takes 4 or more years BECAUSE these cars generally sit in the garage a lot. Thus the factory 4 year OR 48,000 mile warranty is not used.The extended warranty companies OR out of pocket customer pays the bill.
(3) EPA regulations have forced the use of OIL SEPARATORS to further eliminate crankcase emissions into the atmosphere. These plastic injected molded with internal spring loaded relief valves get CLOGGED over time. When clogged they create back flow pressure within the crankcase.
(4) The REAR MAIN SEAL like all seals is designed to withstand a certain amount of pressure but when that pressure is EXCEEDED over time will create the loss of its' sealing ability. The CLOGGED POOLY LOCATED INACCESSIBLE OIL SEPARATORS are left UNMAINTAINED and eventually CRANKCASE PRESSURE STRESSES THE RMS creating the leak...VOILA🤑 and ANOTHER $9000-$10,000 MOSTLY LABOR REPAIR!
(5) Once repaired the EXACT SAME RMS FAILURE will happen AGAIN at around 80,000 miles IF the "ONE ENGINE ONE MAN" AMG "engineers" haven't found a retrofit solution. Probably won't happen since way too busy "electrifying".
(6) I'm told that an "ITALIAN TUNE UP" regularly performed is the ANSWER to keep the oil separators flowing🤣 Always FUN but we know us 600+ HP AMG owners ALWAYS maintain the legal speed limits👮♂️
MAYBE someone in Affalterbach KNOCK KNOCK could enlighten the group of THE ANSWER as my local Mercedes Benz Service Manager HAS NEVER heard of ANY of these issues with the M177 engine. I'm in Atlanta, Ga and there a LOTS of M177 FLYING around this city!
(7) Federally mandated EMISSIONS COMPONENTS are to be warranted for a period BEYOND the standard factory warranty of the auto manufacturer. I believe it is 8 years/80,000 miles?. WHY wouldn't the OIL SEPARATORS fall into that category??
We NEED to solicit an attorney WITH a M177 in his car to join the group!
(8) Do we think ANYONE at Mercedes Benz EVER reads our forum 🤔 Maybe forwarding this to EVERY service manager or executive contact you may have at MB would be helpful. I have sent this entire RMS M117 thread to mine at RBM of Alpharetta. Next it will go to an Executive Referral Manager at the Atlanta headquarters. It is OUTRAGEOUS that Mercedes Benz AMG hasn't responded to this OBVIOUS issue only to become more prevalent as these M177's approach the 40,000 mile mark. I suspect in time NO extended warranty company will issue a contract on these cars as there are VERY few who will today. Jim Moran's Fidelity in Florida is the only one that I know that will...
(1) The predominant M177 AMG automobiles affected are from model years 2018 and 2019 E63S's, G63's and AMG GT's.
(2) The leaking begins at around the 40,000 mile mark which takes 4 or more years BECAUSE these cars generally sit in the garage a lot. Thus the factory 4 year OR 48,000 mile warranty is not used.The extended warranty companies OR out of pocket customer pays the bill.
(3) EPA regulations have forced the use of OIL SEPARATORS to further eliminate crankcase emissions into the atmosphere. These plastic injected molded with internal spring loaded relief valves get CLOGGED over time. When clogged they create back flow pressure within the crankcase.
(4) The REAR MAIN SEAL like all seals is designed to withstand a certain amount of pressure but when that pressure is EXCEEDED over time will create the loss of its' sealing ability. The CLOGGED POOLY LOCATED INACCESSIBLE OIL SEPARATORS are left UNMAINTAINED and eventually CRANKCASE PRESSURE STRESSES THE RMS creating the leak...VOILA🤑 and ANOTHER $9000-$10,000 MOSTLY LABOR REPAIR!
(5) Once repaired the EXACT SAME RMS FAILURE will happen AGAIN at around 80,000 miles IF the "ONE ENGINE ONE MAN" AMG "engineers" haven't found a retrofit solution. Probably won't happen since way too busy "electrifying".
(6) I'm told that an "ITALIAN TUNE UP" regularly performed is the ANSWER to keep the oil separators flowing🤣 Always FUN but we know us 600+ HP AMG owners ALWAYS maintain the legal speed limits👮♂️
MAYBE someone in Affalterbach KNOCK KNOCK could enlighten the group of THE ANSWER as my local Mercedes Benz Service Manager HAS NEVER heard of ANY of these issues with the M177 engine. I'm in Atlanta, Ga and there a LOTS of M177 FLYING around this city!
(7) Federally mandated EMISSIONS COMPONENTS are to be warranted for a period BEYOND the standard factory warranty of the auto manufacturer. I believe it is 8 years/80,000 miles?. WHY wouldn't the OIL SEPARATORS fall into that category??
We NEED to solicit an attorney WITH a M177 in his car to join the group!
(8) Do we think ANYONE at Mercedes Benz EVER reads our forum 🤔 Maybe forwarding this to EVERY service manager or executive contact you may have at MB would be helpful. I have sent this entire RMS M117 thread to mine at RBM of Alpharetta. Next it will go to an Executive Referral Manager at the Atlanta headquarters. It is OUTRAGEOUS that Mercedes Benz AMG hasn't responded to this OBVIOUS issue only to become more prevalent as these M177's approach the 40,000 mile mark. I suspect in time NO extended warranty company will issue a contract on these cars as there are VERY few who will today. Jim Moran's Fidelity in Florida is the only one that I know that will...
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You all need a sticky on common issues with the w213.... including or leading with this
nice summary, @rdj1947
nice summary, @rdj1947
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The strange thing is someone already posted this issue as covered under emission warranty in the US but some members here still get charged and some didn’t. The latter was either covered by extended warranty and/or emission warranty.
I am in Canada and don't have the extended warranty and my dealer said even if i had that, it still would not be covered at all.
I am in Canada and don't have the extended warranty and my dealer said even if i had that, it still would not be covered at all.
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The strange thing is someone already posted this issue as covered under emission warranty in the US but some members here still get charged and some didn’t. The latter was either covered by extended warranty and/or emission warranty.
I am in Canada and don't have the extended warranty and my dealer said even if i had that, it still would not be covered at all.
I am in Canada and don't have the extended warranty and my dealer said even if i had that, it still would not be covered at all.
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I'm on the cusp of buying a used low mile (less than 15k) 2019 G63. Is this RMS leak issue a big enough concern that I should reconsider my purchase? The car comes with a 1 year CPO warranty...but from the sound of it this RMS leak will develop after that warranty expires...thoughts from the collective?
Thanks!
Thanks!