Need new caliper?
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Need new caliper?
Need honest opinion here.
I went to my indy shop for a caliper rebuild after hearing knocking sounds going over bumps.
The tech says I may need to buy an entire new caliper as it may be damaged resulting in the sound.
You can clearly hear the noise when jiggling the caliper left and right here is a video:
https://youtube.com/shorts/WKZfNATEanM?si=WF9HFk1A0nQ86h1O
This video is after the shop has "rebuilt" it.
Your thoughts?
I went to my indy shop for a caliper rebuild after hearing knocking sounds going over bumps.
The tech says I may need to buy an entire new caliper as it may be damaged resulting in the sound.
You can clearly hear the noise when jiggling the caliper left and right here is a video:
https://youtube.com/shorts/WKZfNATEanM?si=WF9HFk1A0nQ86h1O
This video is after the shop has "rebuilt" it.
Your thoughts?
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It is not clear from the video whether the caliper (the assembly that slides and has the brake pads attached) or the caliper support is moving and the source of the noise. Your finger tapped the caliper support, but since the camera was jiggling with your jiggling of the caliper... it's not clear if the caliper is moving in relation to the support. It seems a caliper thing.
If the sliding caliper assembly is what's moving, then you have a pin, boot, or anti-rattle clip that isn't right. We'll assume brake fluid is clean and topped off. Did you use 100% OEM parts? Were all conceivable wear parts replaced in the rebuild (since all the itty bits appear to be orderable separately... I looked up 2018 E63s since that's what's in your profile... https://mbparts.mbusa.com/v-2018-mer...s-and-fittings) Brakes are tricky. There's a lot of nuance and tradeoffs in the tolerances of the parts.
Also, the rattle sounded like it could be splash-shield related. Splash shield can get hit by road debris and bent, or a bolt could be loose. More of the characteristic splash-shield ting-ting sound than the thud-thud of a heavy caliper knocking against fixed support.
If the sliding caliper assembly is what's moving, then you have a pin, boot, or anti-rattle clip that isn't right. We'll assume brake fluid is clean and topped off. Did you use 100% OEM parts? Were all conceivable wear parts replaced in the rebuild (since all the itty bits appear to be orderable separately... I looked up 2018 E63s since that's what's in your profile... https://mbparts.mbusa.com/v-2018-mer...s-and-fittings) Brakes are tricky. There's a lot of nuance and tradeoffs in the tolerances of the parts.
Also, the rattle sounded like it could be splash-shield related. Splash shield can get hit by road debris and bent, or a bolt could be loose. More of the characteristic splash-shield ting-ting sound than the thud-thud of a heavy caliper knocking against fixed support.
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It is not clear from the video whether the caliper (the assembly that slides and has the brake pads attached) or the caliper support is moving and the source of the noise. Your finger tapped the caliper support, but since the camera was jiggling with your jiggling of the caliper... it's not clear if the caliper is moving in relation to the support. It seems a caliper thing.
If the sliding caliper assembly is what's moving, then you have a pin, boot, or anti-rattle clip that isn't right. We'll assume brake fluid is clean and topped off. Did you use 100% OEM parts? Were all conceivable wear parts replaced in the rebuild (since all the itty bits appear to be orderable separately... I looked up 2018 E63s since that's what's in your profile... https://mbparts.mbusa.com/v-2018-mer...s-and-fittings) Brakes are tricky. There's a lot of nuance and tradeoffs in the tolerances of the parts.
Also, the rattle sounded like it could be splash-shield related. Splash shield can get hit by road debris and bent, or a bolt could be loose. More of the characteristic splash-shield ting-ting sound than the thud-thud of a heavy caliper knocking against fixed support.
If the sliding caliper assembly is what's moving, then you have a pin, boot, or anti-rattle clip that isn't right. We'll assume brake fluid is clean and topped off. Did you use 100% OEM parts? Were all conceivable wear parts replaced in the rebuild (since all the itty bits appear to be orderable separately... I looked up 2018 E63s since that's what's in your profile... https://mbparts.mbusa.com/v-2018-mer...s-and-fittings) Brakes are tricky. There's a lot of nuance and tradeoffs in the tolerances of the parts.
Also, the rattle sounded like it could be splash-shield related. Splash shield can get hit by road debris and bent, or a bolt could be loose. More of the characteristic splash-shield ting-ting sound than the thud-thud of a heavy caliper knocking against fixed support.
Thanks for your input, I brought it in today and analyzed the whole thing.
All parts are OEM from MB, there is quite a bit of play in the caliper but the sliding pins show no wear or damage.
the pads were removed and glued back in the caliper using urethane and so far no more noise 🤞
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Thanks for your input, I brought it in today and analyzed the whole thing.
All parts are OEM from MB, there is quite a bit of play in the caliper but the sliding pins show no wear or damage.
the pads were removed and glued back in the caliper using urethane and so far no more noise 🤞
All parts are OEM from MB, there is quite a bit of play in the caliper but the sliding pins show no wear or damage.
the pads were removed and glued back in the caliper using urethane and so far no more noise 🤞
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Rover338 (08-07-2024)
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with that said, glueing pads won't fix the issue you showed with the caliper clunking and clapping as it moved everywhere.
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The urethane thing is a red flag. I've never seen that in any vehicle maintenance procedure. Now I think there's an issue with how the brakes are applied and then back off the rotor. Again, tricky. Don't want drag, but don't want too much space or pedal feel will suffer. I now wonder if you're seeing sub-par brake performance. Brake squeal is a pain, but generally doesn't occur if everything is clean. I've seen this lubricant (not glue) used to prevent squeal and facilitate caliper movement (braking and release).
I suggest the brakes be disassembled and cleaned of all foreign material. If any urethane migrates to the cylinder walls, the pistons will stick.
The urethane thing is a red flag. I've never seen that in any vehicle maintenance procedure. Now I think there's an issue with how the brakes are applied and then back off the rotor. Again, tricky. Don't want drag, but don't want too much space or pedal feel will suffer. I now wonder if you're seeing sub-par brake performance. Brake squeal is a pain, but generally doesn't occur if everything is clean. I've seen this lubricant (not glue) used to prevent squeal and facilitate caliper movement (braking and release).
I suggest the brakes be disassembled and cleaned of all foreign material. If any urethane migrates to the cylinder walls, the pistons will stick.
Last edited by SerottaD; 08-06-2024 at 01:49 PM.
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Rover338 (08-07-2024)
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While inspecting the 3 other brakes (which the discs and pads have been replaced by my MB dealer) they are all "glued" with polyurethane to the calipers.
It's just that one side that somehow is making noise while driving on unequal pavement.
I am taking a wild guess here and it could be another chemical than polyurethane but it sure as hell looks like it.
It's just that one side that somehow is making noise while driving on unequal pavement.
I am taking a wild guess here and it could be another chemical than polyurethane but it sure as hell looks like it.
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First thing is to remove the cap and see what's happening underneath. The red plate that says AMG pops off, just pry it with a screwdriver, then you can see what's happening underneath.