pgordon888

Not sure if I can post this here as well but I am selling my very clean Renntech Tuned CLS63 with only 8300 miles. See post in the classified section for more info.


https://mbworld.org/forums/mercedes-...ml#post5799930

Vic55

You absolutely can, others are allowed and so can you-- whats next?

pgordon888

Thanks Vic.

2014 or 2015 GT-R is next. My daughter is out of rear facing car seat now so I can move back to a coupe. Already have speced the car seat for the GT-R rear seat. I also have the ML diesel as the primary family hauling vehicle (soon to be upsized to the GL). I do need 4 seats though so the coupe can be used at lest some times for kid duty.

I thought about the 991 TTS but I just I don't want to pay 200K for a new car, especially one that with styling that is so yesterday (or iconic if you are a 911 die hard).

Let me know if you know of anyone who might be interested in my car. Its super clean etc.

hyperion667

aw man, we're losing another one

goodluck with the sale Sir

Vic55

I loved my GTR- albeit a 2009 I still modded it hardcore and back then 650hp was a lot for that car. it trapped over 132mph and did 10 second quarters... I do think you can get the 991TT-S for less than 200k, more like 175k well optioned. Im a diehard with 3 turbos on my resume so Ill be joining that team yet again.

pgordon888

The 991TT-S starts at 180K now! There was like a $20K bump from 997 to 991 on the TTS.

If I buy a 991TTS it will be yours when it is a 1 to 2 years old and you are on to the next thing. By that point the steepest part of the depreciation curve will have occurred. Looks like 2012 997.2 TTSs can be had with under 10k miles now for $120Kish so I am hoping the 991TTSs will be at $130 ish 2 years old. But then again the great prices on the 997s are likely as a result of the new 991s having been released.

On the GT-R, I could be convinced to make a different choice if you would part with your C63 Black!

emericr

Bump for a great price on a pristine car. That is a hell of deal. I would suspect you should be able to get close to that on a trade in taking into account the sales tax advantage.
I really don't know what people see in the P-car. Agreed it is faster than hell with PDK but the lack of sensory feedback is just a deal killer for me. I agree the GTR or the BS or an M6 would be my pick around the low 100K range.
At the $175K range, I would rather buy a new Audi R8 V10 or AM Vantage V12 or slightly used Ferrari California, Scuderia, Lambo 550-2 or Bentley Supersport especially if you already have a daily driver.

pgordon888

Thanks man. I am structuring the buy as a courtesy trade, so I am still hoping to get the sales tax break but at the same time making financing and closing easier for a buyer. The way it works is that I find the buyer for my trade, I trade my car to the dealer for the new car, and the the dealer immediately sells the trade to the buyer. Since it is a dealer purchase on the buyside the buyer will qualify for reduced rate dealer financing and I don't have to use an auto tag shop or AAA to close the deal.

Please pass this along to anyone you know that may be interested. Thanks again.

Vic55

I see it differently based on my ownership. The P car's have always taught me how to be a better driver via chassis feedback and rear engine bias. The GTR which I owned was clearly the easiest thing to drive but it didnt make me a better driver. The M6 which I have now is a great GT cruiser but its not a visceral machine. The C63 BS.... now that is a car- far more involving and demanding than the M6 or GTR or any AWD car. You really can play with the car and its tail via the throttle. I do love my Audi R8 V10 too, its a ground hugger so its not super challenging but it sure is fun with the sounds it emits.

The 991 chassis is an enormous advancement over the 996 and 997- add in the turbo power and rear wheel steering and Im entirely excited as to what it can do on the track and street. Oh its also a daily driver which a lambo and ferrari are not. I literally put 20k on my 997.1TT and only changed the oil 4x's. You can brutalize the car and thats what I want. I cant have a garage queen like an F car but thats me. Oh I cant insure on it either LOLOLOL. But I actually think Im going to keep my 991 GT3 slot and get that car before the turbo. My slot is for May of 2014. The GT3 is going to be the best driver's car of 2014 IMHO.

emericr

If I could own the list of cars you have Vic, no doubt the PTT or GT3 would be in my stable and it's all about personal preferences. I owned a 997S and drove extensively a 997TT for a week and even though they are scalpels, the lack of torque and feedback makes it a very dull experience. The TT with its electronics really does not require much driver skills. The fact that all of them look about the same and to the average person out there, they do not see the difference between a $50K 996 or a $200K 997 TT.
I have not driven the GTR so I can't speak about it other than the book reading.

Vic55

Lack of tq in a 3600+ lb car???? are you sure you drove a TT--- 516 lb/ft in overboost mode stock is quite incredible especially with its curb weight.... and thats the non S. I have had 7 AMG's including a tuned CL65 so I know tq. Going zero to 60 under 3 seconds is quite a feelilng...

Anyways I owned it (2 997's)--- drove the crap out of it in high speed turns, bends, sharp curves and you can push the car and even slide it with the proper throttle push. All you have to do is turn off PSM- electronics are for GTR's LOL. There is far more feed back in a carrera chassis than that of a C63 or almost any amg. But your mileage varied in your shorter experience-- so be it.

sorry Pgordon for the jack.

hyperion667

have to admit, although my experience is pretty limited: the Pcar is a lot of fun, even though I'm trying to sell it, I have really enjoyed it......
such a quick whippy car: 480hp

emericr

What I am trying to say and obviously doing a bad job at it is that as a daily driver, the lack of torque below 4K RPM makes it non enjoyable. You constantly have to be high revs to get the boost and the torque.
I am not debating that full on, the P car is amazing and has the torque but as a daily driver, an AMG with 590 pound available at 3,000 rpm makes it a better experience.
Bring back a 928 with the V8 turbo engine with PDK at 600hp and I am in

pgordon888

I would let my car go for $85,000 firm to a mbworld forum buyer. The courtesy trade structure allows me to ask less than dealer retail.

Vic55

Ok I get it.... but are you really sure you drove one LOL I jest but you do know this for the 997.2TTS

You should check 6speedonline for more data---- the 997TT tq curve is strong early on and its 700 lbs lighter.

Displacement: 232 cu in, 3800 cc
Power: 530 hp @ 6250 rpm
Torque: 516 lb-ft @ 2100 rpm

Pertplus

Vic, if you ever want to part out your cars...PM me for pricing.

pgordon888

Interesting sidebar here. You guys can continue as long as you want if you keep the interest up on my car and help me find a buyer.

emericr

Interesting point you make Vic. It was not an S but the specs were 500 at 2000 if I remember correctly.
I did work for Roush that time when we put about 1,500 miles comparing the PTT, Gallardo and F430 and had to daily log our thoughts on the cars.
The PTT just did not feel like it has that much on tap. The butt dyno is obviously wrong but I wonder if the gearing had something to do. It felt like you needed to wait at least 1 sec till the boost came in.
I did pick the PTT as the overall winner in that test and probably the reason why they did not invite me to future testing as this was sponsored by Ferrari lol.
As a side note, the Gallardo was last by a mile due to its poor build quality and sub par transmission.
I need to go drive a new 991 PTT .
Bump for a good deal on this CLS.

Vic55

Sorry about that--- free bumps though!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pgordon888

No problem. Bump it up. Two New York buyers coming to see the car this weekend and a Florida buyer this week. Anyone else who is interested hit me up. First deposit check and proof of means to close the deal gets the car.

SMP

Exactly ... not to mention I was able to go soooo deep into the hole under braking for a corner in my 997TT ...

I wish I would still own mine ... just to strap emericr into the passenger seat and show him the difference between keyboard driving and real world driving

Another bump for the OP

emericr

I don't think you read my last posts. This is not feedback from keyboard driving.
My issue is daily drivability not when you go full throttle.

GL with your potential buyers. They are getting a great deal.

pgordon888

Weekend buyers flaked. Car is still available. Hit me up if your are interested. $85,000 firm for mbworld members. That is $5000 below retail value. Car would be purchased through my new car dealer to make everything run smoothly.

Pertplus

Was the dude from a NY someone with a CLS55?

pgordon888

Yes. One of the two two potential New Yorker buyers was. The other one is more of a reschedule for next weekend. We shall see.