Can a S500 be badged S55 if swaped with 55 motor??
05-21-2008, 11:47 PM
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Can a S500 be badged S55 if swaped with 55 motor??
Lets say if someone was to swap out the 5.0 engine and put the 5.5 liter AMG engine in place of the 5.0.
Could the car be called a S55 AMG????
Or what could it be called??
would a regualr 5.5 badge be sufficent enough on the back trunk and side fender??
just some taughts.... since i can get a 5.5 engine N/A practically new for $5500.
Could the car be called a S55 AMG????
Or what could it be called??
would a regualr 5.5 badge be sufficent enough on the back trunk and side fender??
just some taughts.... since i can get a 5.5 engine N/A practically new for $5500.
05-21-2008, 11:54 PM
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Lets say if someone was to swap out the 5.0 engine and put the 5.5 liter AMG engine in place of the 5.0.
Could the car be called a S55 AMG????
Or what could it be called??
would a regualr 5.5 badge be sufficent enough on the back trunk and side fender??
just some taughts.... since i can get a 5.5 engine N/A practically new for $5500.
Could the car be called a S55 AMG????
Or what could it be called??
would a regualr 5.5 badge be sufficent enough on the back trunk and side fender??
just some taughts.... since i can get a 5.5 engine N/A practically new for $5500.
Not what I'd do but it's your green...
05-21-2008, 11:59 PM
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Better yet...get it supercharger from a tuner and debadge the car. If I had the cash for the AMG 5.5 N/A engine and the cash to pay for the install, you could probably afford to get into a tuning program for the 5.0.
05-22-2008, 03:02 AM
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Nope. AMG badge should only come from the factory. I definitely remembering reading FAQ about this and AMG said you can add as many AMG bits (aesthetic and performance) as you want but it still isn't an original AMG.
05-22-2008, 07:29 AM
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And it's not supercharged...he was talking about getting a normally aspirated 5.5 engine..you'd have to badge "S55 Light."
05-22-2008, 09:15 AM
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It doesn't matter who's kit a car car has, or what engine has been installed...
Whatever the VIN say's it is, then that's what it is!! If it is presented any other way, then it is just a fraud IMO. Debadging is for cleanliness not masking.
BTW. the AMG engine is not a clean swapout.. there is a lot of stuff that need to be changed so it can be a lot more costly than just the price of the engine.
Once you pull the original engine out of any car and replace it with anything but an original replacement, it is forever considered a project car....
Whatever the VIN say's it is, then that's what it is!! If it is presented any other way, then it is just a fraud IMO. Debadging is for cleanliness not masking.
BTW. the AMG engine is not a clean swapout.. there is a lot of stuff that need to be changed so it can be a lot more costly than just the price of the engine.
Once you pull the original engine out of any car and replace it with anything but an original replacement, it is forever considered a project car....
05-22-2008, 09:56 AM
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BTW. the AMG engine is not a clean swapout.. there is a lot of stuff that need to be changed so it can be a lot more costly than just the price of the engine.
Once you pull the original engine out of any car and replace it with anything but an original replacement, it is forever considered a project car....
Once you pull the original engine out of any car and replace it with anything but an original replacement, it is forever considered a project car....
If you really wanted one, then take the money for the swap and lease or put money down on a used S55.
05-22-2008, 10:28 AM
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Here's a suggestion:
For the MB/AMG purist (or for those "by the book"), then an AMG badge should ONLY be applied to 100% legit original AMG cars like those in this chart, as well as others not listed but are still true AMG cars in the past (the rare AMG's on w126, w123, etc...):
For the MB/AMG purist (or for those "by the book"), then an AMG badge should ONLY be applied to 100% legit original AMG cars like those in this chart, as well as others not listed but are still true AMG cars in the past (the rare AMG's on w126, w123, etc...):
AMG Production Figures (1995-2006 USA models):
05-22-2008, 01:58 PM
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I guess the relevant answer to the original question is No.
Having an AMG engine doesn;t make your car anymore AMG than
calling it a Volvo because you managed to fit a volvo engine in it.
Badges are just badges.. not necessarily signs of authenticity.
Though it ( if it made any sense to do.. ) would be nice to have a powerful AMG motor under the hood of your car, all you would have done in the end is transformed whatever car you have to the same car with an AMG engine under the hood.
I guess it would be different if say for example you had an older chevy chevelle or something like that and is coming with a small block 307.. Squeezing a 454 under would be great for that car because that's what people do to those cars.. It's nice to brag that you have a chevelle with a big block 454. Enthusiasts would go wild!!And your car would be sooo cool.
THe whole concept behind the AMG thing as you can see from the above chart is that this is a ultra performance production model that is made in fairly small numbers and stock in comparison to its sister models. Not a modded sub-version.
So taking any mercedes and trying to call it an AMG after an engine mod is well just pointless not to mention expensive.
I have a lot of AMG styling on my car IE Quad Pipes, AMG Sport Package, AMG Style 20"Wheels, Drilled Rotors, Larger Brakes, etc... In fact my car probably looks more 'AMG" than the older pre facelift original AMG W220's. But does that qualify me for AMG badging or Status? I think not!! That would be sooo ghetto...
No matter what it looks like or who is trying to race me, My car is and will always be as it states by VIN and by Title a 2004 S430. So that's how it will always be represented by me.( And I have smoked a lot of teasers BTW. )
There is nothing like Autostick and ESP. LOL.. Mustang guys don't quite understand that combination.. ( Smile )
Again, it's cool to have that big motor and all,, but after you do all of the things that will be required to make it function properly, you may as well pimp your existing engine..
But even if you decide to go that way, in the end your car will remain the same as it sits today.. just with waay cooler, bigger engine That's all.
Having an AMG engine doesn;t make your car anymore AMG than
calling it a Volvo because you managed to fit a volvo engine in it.
Badges are just badges.. not necessarily signs of authenticity.
Though it ( if it made any sense to do.. ) would be nice to have a powerful AMG motor under the hood of your car, all you would have done in the end is transformed whatever car you have to the same car with an AMG engine under the hood.
I guess it would be different if say for example you had an older chevy chevelle or something like that and is coming with a small block 307.. Squeezing a 454 under would be great for that car because that's what people do to those cars.. It's nice to brag that you have a chevelle with a big block 454. Enthusiasts would go wild!!And your car would be sooo cool.
THe whole concept behind the AMG thing as you can see from the above chart is that this is a ultra performance production model that is made in fairly small numbers and stock in comparison to its sister models. Not a modded sub-version.
So taking any mercedes and trying to call it an AMG after an engine mod is well just pointless not to mention expensive.
I have a lot of AMG styling on my car IE Quad Pipes, AMG Sport Package, AMG Style 20"Wheels, Drilled Rotors, Larger Brakes, etc... In fact my car probably looks more 'AMG" than the older pre facelift original AMG W220's. But does that qualify me for AMG badging or Status? I think not!! That would be sooo ghetto...
No matter what it looks like or who is trying to race me, My car is and will always be as it states by VIN and by Title a 2004 S430. So that's how it will always be represented by me.( And I have smoked a lot of teasers BTW. )
There is nothing like Autostick and ESP. LOL.. Mustang guys don't quite understand that combination.. ( Smile )
Again, it's cool to have that big motor and all,, but after you do all of the things that will be required to make it function properly, you may as well pimp your existing engine..
But even if you decide to go that way, in the end your car will remain the same as it sits today.. just with waay cooler, bigger engine That's all.
05-22-2008, 02:10 PM
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I guess the relevant answer to the original question is No.
Having an AMG engine doesn;t make your car anymore AMG than
calling it a Volvo because you managed to fit a volvo engine in it.
Badges are just badges.. not necessarily signs of authenticity.
Though it ( if it made any sense to do.. ) would be nice to have a powerful AMG motor under the hood of your car, all you would have done in the end is transformed whatever car you have to the same car with an AMG engine under the hood.
I guess it would be different if say for example you had an older chevy chevelle or something like that and is coming with a small block 307.. Squeezing a 454 under would be great for that car because that's what people do to those cars.. It's nice to brag that you have a chevelle with a big block 454. Enthusiasts would go wild!!And your car would be sooo cool.
THe whole concept behind the AMG thing as you can see from the above chart is that this is a ultra performance production model that is made in fairly small numbers and stock in comparison to its sister models. Not a modded sub-version.
So taking any mercedes and trying to call it an AMG after an engine mod is well just pointless not to mention expensive.
I have a lot of AMG styling on my car IE Quad Pipes, AMG Sport Package, AMG Style 20"Wheels, Drilled Rotors, Larger Brakes, etc... In fact my car probably looks more 'AMG" than the older pre facelift original AMG W220's. But does that qualify me for AMG badging or Status? I think not!! That would be sooo ghetto...
No matter what it looks like or who is trying to race me, My car is and will always be as it states by VIN and by Title a 2004 S430. So that's how it will always be represented by me.( And I have smoked a lot of teasers BTW. )
There is nothing like Autostick and ESP. LOL.. Mustang guys don't quite understand that combination.. ( Smile )
Again, it's cool to have that big motor and all,, but after you do all of the things that will be required to make it function properly, you may as well pimp your existing engine..
But even if you decide to go that way, in the end your car will remain the same as it sits today.. just with waay cooler, bigger engine That's all.
Having an AMG engine doesn;t make your car anymore AMG than
calling it a Volvo because you managed to fit a volvo engine in it.
Badges are just badges.. not necessarily signs of authenticity.
Though it ( if it made any sense to do.. ) would be nice to have a powerful AMG motor under the hood of your car, all you would have done in the end is transformed whatever car you have to the same car with an AMG engine under the hood.
I guess it would be different if say for example you had an older chevy chevelle or something like that and is coming with a small block 307.. Squeezing a 454 under would be great for that car because that's what people do to those cars.. It's nice to brag that you have a chevelle with a big block 454. Enthusiasts would go wild!!And your car would be sooo cool.
THe whole concept behind the AMG thing as you can see from the above chart is that this is a ultra performance production model that is made in fairly small numbers and stock in comparison to its sister models. Not a modded sub-version.
So taking any mercedes and trying to call it an AMG after an engine mod is well just pointless not to mention expensive.
I have a lot of AMG styling on my car IE Quad Pipes, AMG Sport Package, AMG Style 20"Wheels, Drilled Rotors, Larger Brakes, etc... In fact my car probably looks more 'AMG" than the older pre facelift original AMG W220's. But does that qualify me for AMG badging or Status? I think not!! That would be sooo ghetto...
No matter what it looks like or who is trying to race me, My car is and will always be as it states by VIN and by Title a 2004 S430. So that's how it will always be represented by me.( And I have smoked a lot of teasers BTW. )
There is nothing like Autostick and ESP. LOL.. Mustang guys don't quite understand that combination.. ( Smile )
Again, it's cool to have that big motor and all,, but after you do all of the things that will be required to make it function properly, you may as well pimp your existing engine..
But even if you decide to go that way, in the end your car will remain the same as it sits today.. just with waay cooler, bigger engine That's all.
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I would make my life easier and just by a non-molested S55 and your done ..why mess with trying to squeeze a 55 engne in a s500 unless you plan to keep it until you die you will never get your money out of it. Save yourself the headache and just by a S55.
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None to speak of..New "updated" Cats ( made a huge difference ),Acelerator module ( new ), Different Camshaft sensor (very noticeable performance difference). my "Fancy" airbox, And I did have me Dealer download some "New" software recently and since then my car freakin Screams!! I lost about 2 to 3 mpg average,(21/23 versus 23/26) but The shifting, Take-off, and intermediate power is great!!..
Other than that. I always have clean air filtering, and good fuel pressure.. This keeps the engine at its peak at all times...
People say the 430 is weak, But I can still twist the rubber of my rear tires with no problems...And put a nice gap between myself and the rest of traffic at take-off.... My 0-to 60 is right the rating for 2004. Which is a little faster than pre facelift versions...
Other than that. I always have clean air filtering, and good fuel pressure.. This keeps the engine at its peak at all times...
People say the 430 is weak, But I can still twist the rubber of my rear tires with no problems...And put a nice gap between myself and the rest of traffic at take-off.... My 0-to 60 is right the rating for 2004. Which is a little faster than pre facelift versions...
05-22-2008, 05:26 PM
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i dont want to swap the 55 engine in the 500 i was just asking about the badging since other members have done this like projectc55 in his c43 amg.
and you guys are def rigth about buying a real 55 amg instead. there so cheap these days it pointless to spend so much on engine swaps, aftermarket superchargers etc.. i realized that alittle too late.
the only thing im doing performance wise to my s500 when i get it back from the shop is VRP shorty headers, primary cat delete and updated custom software from VRP also to maximize my gains.
and you guys are def rigth about buying a real 55 amg instead. there so cheap these days it pointless to spend so much on engine swaps, aftermarket superchargers etc.. i realized that alittle too late.
the only thing im doing performance wise to my s500 when i get it back from the shop is VRP shorty headers, primary cat delete and updated custom software from VRP also to maximize my gains.
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i dont want to swap the 55 engine in the 500 i was just asking about the badging since other members have done this like projectc55 in his c43 amg.
and you guys are def rigth about buying a real 55 amg instead. there so cheap these days it pointless to spend so much on engine swaps, aftermarket superchargers etc.. i realized that alittle too late.
the only thing im doing performance wise to my s500 when i get it back from the shop is VRP shorty headers, primary cat delete and updated custom software from VRP also to maximize my gains.
and you guys are def rigth about buying a real 55 amg instead. there so cheap these days it pointless to spend so much on engine swaps, aftermarket superchargers etc.. i realized that alittle too late.
the only thing im doing performance wise to my s500 when i get it back from the shop is VRP shorty headers, primary cat delete and updated custom software from VRP also to maximize my gains.
He still has his AMG badging because his car is a true AMG tho.. It also says C43 in the back not C55
VERY misleading as I was one to find out when we went for a cruise a couple of months ago.. I should of realized it to cause he had TOLD me he was doing the 5.5l swap a couple of years ago.. Lol
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