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Old 08-16-2015, 08:04 PM
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the higher the throttle the leaner??

Don't known whats going on, sometimes if I give half throttle, my afr gauge goes lean and just bogs and stutters and sometimes its fine, it's definitely lost power though, not as fast as it was, no cel though. Not sure if it's meth related, because I currently have it capped so it's not spraying
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Do you have datalogs?
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Do you have a tune? I'm also betting you have a larger TB. Sounds like the dreaded hiccup associated with larger TBs.
It's very minor if you are running a clutched pulley. Sometimes the only way you even realize you have triggered it is when what you described happens.
If you have a stock TB, check for a disconnected vacuum hose
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Just wondering if you found/fix the issue you had with the TB? Just wondering have not posted in sometime. Thanks.
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Yea, 82mmthrottle body,never did that before though
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Yep, just disconnected vacuum hoses. Rerouted them and its been much better. Also most of my problem stemmed from my fixed pulley, Tony's tune just about fixed that too.

I am back with a clutched pulley, but I haven't gotten any issues with hiccuping
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Do you have any datalogs of this issue?
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I have done several datalogs when I had this issue, all I saw was a sudden lean out. Nothing to report there
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Could you possibly post or pm an example? I would like to compare to see if perhaps I have a similar issue.
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Its been a while since my last incident. I will see if I can find something later tonight
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I think the car hiccups because it runs too lean at higher part throttle loads. I believe this is something easily tuned out by tuners if they paid attention to the 25-50% throttle @~1800rpm and up. The larger TB allows for more air and the car has to go out of its normal compensation parameters to reach stoich and eventually goes into limp mode. A restart clears all that out for now.
If your vacuum hoses are not closed off somehow, it happens more often. The MB larger TBs seal off all the vacuum hoses hence the reason it does not happen as often. Aftermarket ones do leave the crankcases vented to the air, somehow hiccups happens more in those cases. But it could also simply be that the 82mm flows a lot more air than the MB 80mm (which is actually 78mm)

My logs showed 14.7-15.1 AFR fluctuations around the times when hiccups happened. Different from the 14.5-14.8 AFR fluctuations every other time

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Thanks for the reply. Hope I don't run into this with the new FSP.
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Thanks for the reply. Hope I don't run into this with the new FSP.
You should be fine. Tony got mine sorted out even with my 82mm aftermarket TB and FSP.

I still got an occasional hiccup, however the car recovered in less than a second and I never had to restart or have any drivability issues.
When the maps ran a little richer (at part throttle), I did not get hiccups.
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You should be fine. Tony got mine sorted out even with my 82mm aftermarket TB and FSP.

I still got an occasional hiccup, however the car recovered in less than a second and I never had to restart or have any drivability issues.
When the maps ran a little richer (at part throttle), I did not get hiccups.
I have a EC tune. Not Tonys..
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Datalog for Jerry and describe what is happening. He should be able to tune around it

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