Green filter
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Green filter
Where do I get one? I currently have a K&N but its filthy, so im replacing it. If green filters cost just as much I might try those instead.
Does anyone know wich is better from personal use in a 190. I read all about the pro's and cons to each one. but has anyone ran a K&N and then whent to Greens andnoticed a differecne?
Does anyone know wich is better from personal use in a 190. I read all about the pro's and cons to each one. but has anyone ran a K&N and then whent to Greens andnoticed a differecne?
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Honestly, anyone that is able to actually "feel" a change in performance in air filters . . . should be applying and lending their extraordinary talent to some higher good.
The typical scenario is that a new filter may result in some change over a dirty or clogged one. The true test would be "new versus new".
Then there's the "placebo effect" and the necessary calibration of the "seat of the pants dynometer"
The typical scenario is that a new filter may result in some change over a dirty or clogged one. The true test would be "new versus new".
Then there's the "placebo effect" and the necessary calibration of the "seat of the pants dynometer"
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300E a couple 1994 w124wagon E320 Wagon/,1971MGB Track/Rally, MG Midget Autocross ,2000 E320 wagon.
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in a new oem filter for 14 bucks from
http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...2@Air%20Filter
It will out flow any kn or green and you will always have a nice clean filter if done yearly.
ohlord
http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...2@Air%20Filter
It will out flow any kn or green and you will always have a nice clean filter if done yearly.
ohlord
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in a new oem filter for 14 bucks from
http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...2@Air%20Filter
It will out flow any kn or green and you will always have a nice clean filter if done yearly.
ohlord
http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...2@Air%20Filter
It will out flow any kn or green and you will always have a nice clean filter if done yearly.
ohlord
I also drive 40k miles a year so instead of buy 3 stock filters a year, I just buy one K&N. It end up being about the same price since I can get stock filters here for about 20 bucks. But I get the MPG bennifit, wich when you drive 40k miles ayear is important.
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many miles do you have on the 190e today?
Yes I am telling you the oem filter flows all the air that little engine needs.
Ever have problems with off idle acceleration?
How much does the cleaning and oil kit cost you doing it 4 times a year,properly?
25 highway is about par for the course on the 2.6 and if you are driving 800 miles a week it must be all highway driving and that is why you show better mpg than the polls
ohlord
and since you are the OP on this thread please tell me how filthy the k/n filter is if you clean it properly all the time?And how is it flowing more air than a oem filter for 14 bucks?
Yes I am telling you the oem filter flows all the air that little engine needs.
Ever have problems with off idle acceleration?
How much does the cleaning and oil kit cost you doing it 4 times a year,properly?
25 highway is about par for the course on the 2.6 and if you are driving 800 miles a week it must be all highway driving and that is why you show better mpg than the polls
ohlordand since you are the OP on this thread please tell me how filthy the k/n filter is if you clean it properly all the time?And how is it flowing more air than a oem filter for 14 bucks?
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many miles do you have on the 190e today?
Yes I am telling you the oem filter flows all the air that little engine needs.
Ever have problems with off idle acceleration?
How much does the cleaning and oil kit cost you doing it 4 times a year,properly?
25 highway is about par for the course on the 2.6 and if you are driving 800 miles a week it must be all highway driving and that is why you show better mpg than the polls
ohlord
and since you are the OP on this thread please tell me how filthy the k/n filter is if you clean it properly all the time?And how is it flowing more air than a oem filter for 14 bucks?
Yes I am telling you the oem filter flows all the air that little engine needs.
Ever have problems with off idle acceleration?
How much does the cleaning and oil kit cost you doing it 4 times a year,properly?
25 highway is about par for the course on the 2.6 and if you are driving 800 miles a week it must be all highway driving and that is why you show better mpg than the polls
ohlordand since you are the OP on this thread please tell me how filthy the k/n filter is if you clean it properly all the time?And how is it flowing more air than a oem filter for 14 bucks?
To me, it just seems like a higher airflow filter, with better filtration, is the way to go. My car see's 100mph+ at least once a week. I usually drive and shift between 3k-4k. Its an auto but I can make it shift where I want. It also see's the mechanic once a month for oil changes and gets looked over for preventive maintnce. Ive only had the car 2 years in may coming up. I have about 60k miles put on it. But I also stopped driving it for 2 1/2 months when the rad needed to be replaces because I broke off the plastic piece doing the upper hose. That was a costly mistake.
whats Off idle acceleration? Accelerating from a standstill? When im sitting and I hit it, there is a short half second delay, but I thought that was because its all mechanical and my car idles at like 550 wich is low.
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300E a couple 1994 w124wagon E320 Wagon/,1971MGB Track/Rally, MG Midget Autocross ,2000 E320 wagon.
So you
actually did about 23,000 miles last year and that would have been 2 brand new no oil free flowing oem paper filters for 14bucks each.
You get your oil and filter changed every two thousand miles?Why not do it yourself an oil filter is only $3.99
Try a clean oem air filter from http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...2@Air%20Filter
and see if that helps the acceleration lag.
radiator.com has aftermarket oe radiators for about 95 bucks delivered for your model.
You get your oil and filter changed every two thousand miles?Why not do it yourself an oil filter is only $3.99
Try a clean oem air filter from http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...2@Air%20Filter
and see if that helps the acceleration lag.
radiator.com has aftermarket oe radiators for about 95 bucks delivered for your model.
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actually did about 23,000 miles last year and that would have been 2 brand new no oil free flowing oem paper filters for 14bucks each.
You get your oil and filter changed every two thousand miles?Why not do it yourself an oil filter is only $3.99
Try a clean oem air filter from http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...2@Air%20Filter
and see if that helps the acceleration lag.
radiator.com has aftermarket oe radiators for about 95 bucks delivered for your model.
You get your oil and filter changed every two thousand miles?Why not do it yourself an oil filter is only $3.99
Try a clean oem air filter from http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pro...2@Air%20Filter
and see if that helps the acceleration lag.
radiator.com has aftermarket oe radiators for about 95 bucks delivered for your model.
Are you saying a more restrictive air filter will help with my off the line lag? Ill buy the filter just to try it!
I got my radiator for $120. Its the labor I didnt like.
Chain reaction... I replace the top hose, break the radiator plastic piece it goes on, then have to replce the rad, when I do that I dont put the hood lack back on, so I have to break my grill to get the hood ope nto attack the latch properly. Now I dont have a grill. But im thinking about getting the S600 grill off ebay.
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are not understanding me
the oem filter is not more restrictive.It flows more air and cleaner air than the k/n.
10 buck oil changes?filter is 4 bucks several qts. of pricey syn blend plus labor and you pay 10 bucks?
the oem filter is not more restrictive.It flows more air and cleaner air than the k/n.
10 buck oil changes?filter is 4 bucks several qts. of pricey syn blend plus labor and you pay 10 bucks?
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The notion that the stock paper filter is "restrictive" might lead one to believe that every Mercedes engine is starved for air, or not getting the necessary amount of air. Imagine the shock and surprise that would cause in the motor engineering departments of every car maker that doesn't use the K&N filter design.
Choose whatever air filter element you car to use in your own car, but be careful when touting "performance" enhancements without the necessary "before and after" objective testing.
Choose whatever air filter element you car to use in your own car, but be careful when touting "performance" enhancements without the necessary "before and after" objective testing.
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Keep in mind I get an alignment every 2 months. I buy new tires every 4-6 months. Ive had him redo my suspension and some other things. He makes plenty of money off me.
20$. now with the price of oil going up. I use kendall syn blend.
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The notion that the stock paper filter is "restrictive" might lead one to believe that every Mercedes engine is starved for air, or not getting the necessary amount of air. Imagine the shock and surprise that would cause in the motor engineering departments of every car maker that doesn't use the K&N filter design.
Choose whatever air filter element you car to use in your own car, but be careful when touting "performance" enhancements without the necessary "before and after" objective testing.
Choose whatever air filter element you car to use in your own car, but be careful when touting "performance" enhancements without the necessary "before and after" objective testing.
Maybe the way our car is designd it doesnt make much difference, but dont most car get an increase when you put in a K&N or a weapon R intake system? Dont the show gain of +20hp in some vehicles? I know the 190 isnt really one for performance parts (16v not included). Are you guys really telling me im getting nothing extra out of the k&n?
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Yes
That is what we are telling you.
As an example if one of the models that is a performance star with power to spare is limited to a top speed of 155mph by a setting in the cars ecu and by changing that limit the car can do 170mph on a stock paper filter can you see how the oem air filter flowed all the air the engine needed....
do you think with the 2.6liter 190e a paper filter of the same construction and material as the one in a slk55 kompressor has any problem suppling all the air your engine needs?
As an example if one of the models that is a performance star with power to spare is limited to a top speed of 155mph by a setting in the cars ecu and by changing that limit the car can do 170mph on a stock paper filter can you see how the oem air filter flowed all the air the engine needed....
do you think with the 2.6liter 190e a paper filter of the same construction and material as the one in a slk55 kompressor has any problem suppling all the air your engine needs?
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That is what we are telling you.
As an example if one of the models that is a performance star with power to spare is limited to a top speed of 155mph by a setting in the cars ecu and by changing that limit the car can do 170mph on a stock paper filter can you see how the oem air filter flowed all the air the engine needed....
do you think with the 2.6liter 190e a paper filter of the same construction and material as the one in a slk55 kompressor has any problem suppling all the air your engine needs?
As an example if one of the models that is a performance star with power to spare is limited to a top speed of 155mph by a setting in the cars ecu and by changing that limit the car can do 170mph on a stock paper filter can you see how the oem air filter flowed all the air the engine needed....
do you think with the 2.6liter 190e a paper filter of the same construction and material as the one in a slk55 kompressor has any problem suppling all the air your engine needs?
So my next question is, why do people spend extra money on K&N if it really isnt doing anything extra?
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As for "more air" . . . the claims are misleading, since internal combustion engines are pumps. Air is sucked in on one side and pushed out the other and there needs to be a balance of what comes in and what exits the pump.
In our cars, the design of the fuel injection metering system is all done in the Air Fuel Meter piece, unlike the old fashioned carb engines that had down or side draft. The ancient system in our cars doesn't measure air mass, only temperatures, so it won't know if there's more air flowing into the AFM or not.
Why do people buy it? Marketing and the simple desires we have to "gain performance" without really paying the necessary price. In the world of HP gains . . . if it were really easy to get real HP gains, everyone would be doing it.
