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Old 11-22-2023, 12:31 PM
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Cold start tapping

My car sat a couple days and perhaps I was able to hear this due to the echo inside the garage and never noticed it before…

But when I first started the engine I heard some tapping that lasted about 2-3 seconds then went away once it seemed the oil pressure built up.

is this normal when cold?
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Originally Posted by BetterDaze
My car sat a couple days and perhaps I was able to hear this due to the echo inside the garage and never noticed it before…

But when I first started the engine I heard some tapping that lasted about 2-3 seconds then went away once it seemed the oil pressure built up.

is this normal when cold?
It's totally normal. That's exactly what my car does.
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Mine too. Mine is a couple of seconds and it does not happen all the time.
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Appreciate the quick replies. Good to know it’s normal but strange that I had never heard it do that before now

i am only recently keeping it consistently garaged when not in use

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Appreciate the quick replies. Good to know it’s normal but strange that I had never heard it do that before now

i am only recently keeping it consistently garaged when not in use
So long as it only taps for a couple of seconds and then goes away. If it begins to tap consistently and doesn't go away then that would be a problem but your car isn't doing that so it's not a problem.
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This is unrelated to the tapping but I don’t want to keep starting multiple threads. The more I use the car the higher chance things will go wrong with it but I have fully embraced the challenge.

I think I have this one covered tbh but always enjoy the feedback from you all…this morning I stalled…first one in over a year

the car is surging at idle and not downshifting as it should coasting at 1000rpm during normal driving. This came out of no where it seems so I parked it for now but might be sticking micro switch? The rpm range seems to be 200-300 over its normal ranges at all conditions, seems to stall from getting too much air while stopped at a light. Will dig in later but thoughts?

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This is unrelated to the tapping but I don’t want to keep starting multiple threads. The more I use the car the higher chance things will go wrong with it but I have fully embraced the challenge.

I think I have this one covered tbh but always enjoy the feedback from you all…this morning I stalled…first one in over a year

the car is surging at idle and not downshifting as it should coasting at 1000rpm during normal driving. This came out of no where it seems so I parked it for now but might be sticking micro switch? The rpm range seems to be 200-300 over its normal ranges at all conditions, seems to stall from getting too much air while stopped at a light. Will dig in later but thoughts?
It sounds like you might have 2 separate issues going on but maybe not. I would start with the easiest fix first. When was the last time the transmission fluid was changed and what's the color of the old transmission fluid before you changed the fluid ? Changing out old transmission fluid can do wonders. Discolored transmission fluid can also point to a more serious issue. See how the car behaves with new transmission fluid. If changing the transmission fluid doesn't solve the issue then you know to investigate further.
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Sorry 190efan I meant to say that it is late to downshift,it eventually will(sticking longer than normal at 1000rpm) but also surge forward without any input from the pedal at times.
Idle in P I noted the rpm sticking to 1500

The fluid is bright red and I have never changed it since owning almost time for storage so we can tackle a lot

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Vacuum leak somewhere if idle is high. Perhaps the liine to the transmission modulator valve? Just a guess but I know when my car had a high idle there was a disconnected vacuum line. The fact the transmission is not shifting correctly makes me wonder about the modulator valve.
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Thanks for the hint on vacuum leak. I checked all the lines and didn’t find anything and micro switch is working like normal though crusty

my injector #2 had a loose line and bracket I could wiggle and lift by hand. Symptoms went away after retightening so hoping it was just a vacuum leak at rubber injector seal

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Sorry 190efan I meant to say that it is late to downshift,it eventually will(sticking longer than normal at 1000rpm) but also surge forward without any input from the pedal at times.
Idle in P I noted the rpm sticking to 1500

The fluid is bright red and I have never changed it since owning almost time for storage so we can tackle a lot
You typically want to change your transmission fluid every 30,000 miles. It's good that the color of the transmission fluid looks to be normal. It's still probably not a bad idea to change the transmission fluid during winter hibernation anyway.
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Vacuum leak somewhere if idle is high. Perhaps the liine to the transmission modulator valve? Just a guess but I know when my car had a high idle there was a disconnected vacuum line. The fact the transmission is not shifting correctly makes me wonder about the modulator valve.
Good advise.
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Originally Posted by BetterDaze
Thanks for the hint on vacuum leak. I checked all the lines and didn’t find anything and micro switch is working like normal though crusty

my injector #2 had a loose line and bracket I could wiggle and lift by hand. Symptoms went away after retightening so hoping it was just a vacuum leak at rubber injector seal
I would give the micro switch a good cleaning to get rid of the crustiness. Glad the injector #2 loose line and bracket were found and tightened. Let's hope that solves the issue.

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