what type of oil does MB dealer use?
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what type of oil does MB dealer use?
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what type of oil does MB dealer use when they do an oil change?
do they use a specific type of engine oil for the AMG models?
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what type of oil does MB dealer use when they do an oil change?
do they use a specific type of engine oil for the AMG models?
thanks!
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no, here is a list of MB approved oils. I belive the spec for the 6.2L AMG engine is 229.5 and 229.51
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html
Originally Posted by jerryvan
To the AMG Private Lounge Team:
Just a few months ago I took delivery of a 2008 C63. Before driving off I asked the dealer's service department what kind of oil I should be using. Their answer at that time was Mobil 1 0W-40. Just today I went back to the dealer for my 3000 mile checkup and asked the same question again. I now am being told that I should be using 5W-40. Can you give me a definitive answer as to which weight is appropriate or does it make a difference?
Thanks.
Dear Jerryvan,
Thank you very much for your post. This occurs as the automotive fluid standards have changed in the meantime (in May 2008).
In general, the following fluids should be used for AMG engines :
- Mobil 1 5W-40 for M156 engine (63er models)
- Mobil 1 0W-40 all other AMG engines (as well the AMG diesel engines that was used for the C 30 AMG)
- Mobil 1 5W-50 SLR engine
Before that change, the Mobil 1 0W-40 was used for the 63 models as well.
Best regards,
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+1 I would add this from the Private lounge, I don't remember the date, but it was earlier this year:
Originally Posted by jerryvan
To the AMG Private Lounge Team:
Just a few months ago I took delivery of a 2008 C63. Before driving off I asked the dealer's service department what kind of oil I should be using. Their answer at that time was Mobil 1 0W-40. Just today I went back to the dealer for my 3000 mile checkup and asked the same question again. I now am being told that I should be using 5W-40. Can you give me a definitive answer as to which weight is appropriate or does it make a difference?
Thanks.
Dear Jerryvan,
Thank you very much for your post. This occurs as the automotive fluid standards have changed in the meantime (in May 2008).
In general, the following fluids should be used for AMG engines :
- Mobil 1 5W-40 for M156 engine (63er models)
- Mobil 1 0W-40 all other AMG engines (as well the AMG diesel engines that was used for the C 30 AMG)
- Mobil 1 5W-50 SLR engine
Before that change, the Mobil 1 0W-40 was used for the 63 models as well.
Best regards,
AMG Private Lounge Team
As of this post, I am a Member.
Originally Posted by jerryvan
To the AMG Private Lounge Team:
Just a few months ago I took delivery of a 2008 C63. Before driving off I asked the dealer's service department what kind of oil I should be using. Their answer at that time was Mobil 1 0W-40. Just today I went back to the dealer for my 3000 mile checkup and asked the same question again. I now am being told that I should be using 5W-40. Can you give me a definitive answer as to which weight is appropriate or does it make a difference?
Thanks.
Dear Jerryvan,
Thank you very much for your post. This occurs as the automotive fluid standards have changed in the meantime (in May 2008).
In general, the following fluids should be used for AMG engines :
- Mobil 1 5W-40 for M156 engine (63er models)
- Mobil 1 0W-40 all other AMG engines (as well the AMG diesel engines that was used for the C 30 AMG)
- Mobil 1 5W-50 SLR engine
Before that change, the Mobil 1 0W-40 was used for the 63 models as well.
Best regards,
AMG Private Lounge Team
As of this post, I am a Member.
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My dealer specifically stated that the 63 motors are to use Mobil 1 European Blend Formula 0W40, so thats what i use.
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I think some clarification is needed here.
There are only three oils that are 229.5 and AMG approved:
Mobil 1 0w-40
Liqui-Moly 5w-40 Synthoil High Tech
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 HST
Castrol 5w-40 and Mobil 1 5w-50 only meet MB229.3, which is outdated, and cannot be used in newer models (except Maybach and the SLR that specify 5w-50)
M1 5w-40 is not 229.5 or AMG approved, it is a 229.51 oil, designed ONLY for diesel models with DPF.
There are only three oils that are 229.5 and AMG approved:
Mobil 1 0w-40
Liqui-Moly 5w-40 Synthoil High Tech
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 HST
Castrol 5w-40 and Mobil 1 5w-50 only meet MB229.3, which is outdated, and cannot be used in newer models (except Maybach and the SLR that specify 5w-50)
M1 5w-40 is not 229.5 or AMG approved, it is a 229.51 oil, designed ONLY for diesel models with DPF.
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This is a great thread.
Something to keep in mind when visiting your local dealer:
MB and its company-owned dealerships pour Mobil 1.
Your dealer's ownership group has a sub$tantial marketing agreement with a major oil company for "pouring rights". As a general rule, at Penske dealerships you'll also see Mobil 1. At Hendrick stores, its Quaker State, and at Sonic dealerships, they'll try and sell you Z-Max, an oil additive that is also owned by Sonic head Bruton Smith.
While they may try and steer you toward the house brand, they may also offer alternatives. Whatever they're selling, with today's close engine tolerances, INSIST on an oil that meets the spec listed in this thread, and make them show you the container so you can read the 229.5 reference.
For 40 years, I've trusted Valvoline oils and lubricants in our racing and road cars, and never had an oil-related engine problem. We've also had good results with Mobil 1. Our vintage cars use Joe Gibbs Performance Oil for its high ZDDP content.
Something to keep in mind when visiting your local dealer:
MB and its company-owned dealerships pour Mobil 1.
Your dealer's ownership group has a sub$tantial marketing agreement with a major oil company for "pouring rights". As a general rule, at Penske dealerships you'll also see Mobil 1. At Hendrick stores, its Quaker State, and at Sonic dealerships, they'll try and sell you Z-Max, an oil additive that is also owned by Sonic head Bruton Smith.
While they may try and steer you toward the house brand, they may also offer alternatives. Whatever they're selling, with today's close engine tolerances, INSIST on an oil that meets the spec listed in this thread, and make them show you the container so you can read the 229.5 reference.
For 40 years, I've trusted Valvoline oils and lubricants in our racing and road cars, and never had an oil-related engine problem. We've also had good results with Mobil 1. Our vintage cars use Joe Gibbs Performance Oil for its high ZDDP content.
Last edited by 201mph; Dec 5, 2008 at 09:09 AM.
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I think some clarification is needed here.
There are only three oils that are 229.5 and AMG approved:
Mobil 1 0w-40
Liqui-Moly 5w-40 Synthoil High Tech
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 HST
Castrol 5w-40 and Mobil 1 5w-50 only meet MB229.3, which is outdated, and cannot be used in newer models (except Maybach and the SLR that specify 5w-50)
M1 5w-40 is not 229.5 or AMG approved, it is a 229.51 oil, designed ONLY for diesel models with DPF.
There are only three oils that are 229.5 and AMG approved:
Mobil 1 0w-40
Liqui-Moly 5w-40 Synthoil High Tech
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 HST
Castrol 5w-40 and Mobil 1 5w-50 only meet MB229.3, which is outdated, and cannot be used in newer models (except Maybach and the SLR that specify 5w-50)
M1 5w-40 is not 229.5 or AMG approved, it is a 229.51 oil, designed ONLY for diesel models with DPF.
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Somewhere in the AMG Private Lounge site and amongst this forum as well there was a mention of an update issued by MBUSA that they changed from 0W-40 to 5W-40 Mobil 1 as the NOW recommended oil for the AMG 63 engines.... you may want to do a more in-depth search.... There were several discussion about this on this forum about 3-4 months ago
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Somewhere in the AMG Private Lounge site and amongst this forum as well there was a mention of an update issued by MBUSA that they changed from 0W-40 to 5W-40 Mobil 1 as the NOW recommended oil for the AMG 63 engines.... you may want to do a more in-depth search.... There were several discussion about this on this forum about 3-4 months ago
Mobil 1 Turbodiesel Truck 5w-40 (no MB passenger car approvals)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5w-40 This carries ONLY the 229.51 rating, which is ONLY for use in diesel models with DPF. MB has stated that 229.x1 oils are only to be used in diesel models with DPF, and all other models are to use 229.5 oil. I am sure that if you look in your manual, you will also see that you must use a 229.5 oil.
There are two possiblities for this statement regarding 5w-40:
1. They are speaking about a different oil not sold in the US
2. MBUSA made a mistake, which happened before with 229.51 oils.
The best way to figure out which oil is best for your car is to use your brain: The cars require 229.5 oil that have a viscosity rating higher than -30, which leaves only those three oils that are -40 vicosity 229.5 oils:
M1 0w-40
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 HST
Lubro Moly 5w-40 Synthoil High Tech
There is nothing special about M1, they just have a very valuable marketing agreement with MBUSA, I have never seen a Mobil product in a German service center.
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Here is the problem I see: As far as I know, in the US, there are only two types of M1 5w-40, and it has not been stated which is reccomended (although it does not matter, which I will explain):
Mobil 1 Turbodiesel Truck 5w-40 (no MB passenger car approvals)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5w-40 This carries ONLY the 229.51 rating, which is ONLY for use in diesel models with DPF. MB has stated that 229.x1 oils are only to be used in diesel models with DPF, and all other models are to use 229.5 oil. I am sure that if you look in your manual, you will also see that you must use a 229.5 oil.
There are two possiblities for this statement regarding 5w-40:
1. They are speaking about a different oil not sold in the US
2. MBUSA made a mistake, which happened before with 229.51 oils.
The best way to figure out which oil is best for your car is to use your brain: The cars require 229.5 oil that have a viscosity rating higher than -30, which leaves only those three oils that are -40 vicosity 229.5 oils:
M1 0w-40
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 HST
Lubro Moly 5w-40 Synthoil High Tech
There is nothing special about M1, they just have a very valuable marketing agreement with MBUSA, I have never seen a Mobil product in a German service center.
Mobil 1 Turbodiesel Truck 5w-40 (no MB passenger car approvals)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5w-40 This carries ONLY the 229.51 rating, which is ONLY for use in diesel models with DPF. MB has stated that 229.x1 oils are only to be used in diesel models with DPF, and all other models are to use 229.5 oil. I am sure that if you look in your manual, you will also see that you must use a 229.5 oil.
There are two possiblities for this statement regarding 5w-40:
1. They are speaking about a different oil not sold in the US
2. MBUSA made a mistake, which happened before with 229.51 oils.
The best way to figure out which oil is best for your car is to use your brain: The cars require 229.5 oil that have a viscosity rating higher than -30, which leaves only those three oils that are -40 vicosity 229.5 oils:
M1 0w-40
Valvoline Synpower 5w-40 HST
Lubro Moly 5w-40 Synthoil High Tech
There is nothing special about M1, they just have a very valuable marketing agreement with MBUSA, I have never seen a Mobil product in a German service center.
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I never said "they do not" use Mobil products. I am only commenting that in the MB service centers I have used, they do not use Mobil products, and they are not always the best, as some people assume.
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I am running with 5W-40
With spirited driving its not uncommon to burn a liter of oil every 1500 - 2000 KLM with a C63. Especially during break in
Hope this helps
