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I did some general searching on the web and there are claims the GT Coupe has remote start. I have a subscription to the MBMe (or whatever it's called now) service but there isn't any options for remote start. Does anyone know if remote start exists for these cars and do you actually have it? If you do, can you elaborate on what app it's in, was it some sort of "option" in the build of the car, etc.....?
Remote start is not something I'm particularly interested in, but I thought all MB/AMG models have it in the markets where it's legal. However, I just entered the VIN of a 2020 GT C in https://mb.vin/ and it doesn't have option 26U, which is remote engine start. I do have it in my C63S Coupe and it comes up if I enter my VIN. The GT as I said before isn't all that great of a road car. It never got many of the convenience features such as 360 camera or the full ADAS functionality to make it more of a road and everyday car. The new GT 63 Coupe has all this stuff now and is a more usable everyday road car.
Agreed. My only issue with the new generation Mercedes is that for all of their added creature comforts, they are awful looking - both interior and exterior. Something about that "electric vehicle" design lacks the grace that Mercedes has been known for. Even their AMGs look meh compared to the previous generations.
I actually looked at both (new and prior gen) and went with prior gen because there were too many things I disliked with the new one. It also didn't feel as special as the prior gen does/is.
I actually looked at both (new and prior gen) and went with prior gen because there were too many things I disliked with the new one. It also didn't feel as special as the prior gen does/is.
There's things I like about the new one (especially the added creature comforts) but to me it still just lacks something that makes it look/feel special.
There's things I like about the new one (especially the added creature comforts) but to me it still just lacks something that makes it look/feel special.
I guess like forum member superswiss had been mentioning, it is more grand tourer than the outgoing model.
It DEFINITELY is more grand tourer. I wish they had leaned harder into super car territory. I think they would sell more of them. Every time I've gone into different dealerships they have loads of them just sitting.
It DEFINITELY is more grand tourer. I wish they had leaned harder into super car territory. I think they would sell more of them. Every time I've gone into different dealerships they have loads of them just sitting.
Well, another forum member also mentioned this should had been the new W206 C 63 S but way cheaper and this is AMG's way to upsell C 63 customers. i agree.
If you saw the throttle house video, there are many points I agree as well.
I mean, mechanically you gain AWD but also weight, you lose the long hood, the dedicated platform, dry sump, mid-engine and I few others I forgot.
Yeah, I was aware of all the changes when I looked at both and drove both. I don't know what the issue is with the hood. I hear so many people complain about how long it is, but honestly it doesn't feel different to me than any other car (length wise). In my vision, when driving, it doesn't really look different to me either. My other car is a Panamera 4s and the hood looks the same from the driver's seat. The "new" GT had the same look when driving it. The hood didn't feel/look any shorter from the my perspective in the driver's seat.
Yeah, I was aware of all the changes when I looked at both and drove both. I don't know what the issue is with the hood. I hear so many people complain about how long it is, but honestly it doesn't feel different to me than any other car (length wise). In my vision, when driving, it doesn't really look different to me either. My other car is a Panamera 4s and the hood looks the same from the driver's seat. The "new" GT had the same look when driving it. The hood didn't feel/look any shorter from the my perspective in the driver's seat.
Don't get me wrong I like the long hood as well but I guess those who have issues had to sit higher.
That said, I am curious if I missed anything, what other changes were there, do you remember?
I don't think you missed anything. I do think it's still mid-engine. It just sits higher (which is why the whole vehicle is higher) because it's no longer a dry sump. I think the car is a little longer as well to accommodate the passenger space. It's definitely easier to get in and out of as well as roomier. If you're looking for a GT then I think it fits that role fairly well. In all honesty you can buy the 55 (save 10's of thousands of dollars) and have it tuned. It's the same engine, internals, etc.... just a tune difference. That was the direction I was leaning when I was between the two to save some money. Get the 55 and get it tuned, but just kept coming back to it wasn't a car that I got out of and couldn't stop looking back at as I walked away. (Just my opinion) I also looked at the Vanquish and a 911 4s and just felt like they weren't as special/unique.
I don't think you missed anything. I do think it's still mid-engine. It just sits higher (which is why the whole vehicle is higher) because it's no longer a dry sump. I think the car is a little longer as well to accommodate the passenger space. It's definitely easier to get in and out of as well as roomier. If you're looking for a GT then I think it fits that role fairly well. In all honesty you can buy the 55 (save 10's of thousands of dollars) and have it tuned. It's the same engine, internals, etc.... just a tune difference. That was the direction I was leaning when I was between the two to save some money. Get the 55 and get it tuned, but just kept coming back to it wasn't a car that I got out of and couldn't stop looking back at as I walked away. (Just my opinion) I also looked at the Vanquish and a 911 4s and just felt like they weren't as special/unique.
I see, I am not sure why people keep saying it is now a front engine layout other than the higher ride height, thanks for confirming ya agree about getting the 55 version except the GT 55 version is not available in Canada
I don't think you missed anything. I do think it's still mid-engine. It just sits higher (which is why the whole vehicle is higher) because it's no longer a dry sump. I think the car is a little longer as well to accommodate the passenger space. It's definitely easier to get in and out of as well as roomier. If you're looking for a GT then I think it fits that role fairly well. In all honesty you can buy the 55 (save 10's of thousands of dollars) and have it tuned. It's the same engine, internals, etc.... just a tune difference. That was the direction I was leaning when I was between the two to save some money. Get the 55 and get it tuned, but just kept coming back to it wasn't a car that I got out of and couldn't stop looking back at as I walked away. (Just my opinion) I also looked at the Vanquish and a 911 4s and just felt like they weren't as special/unique.
The new GT is no longer mid-engine. It's now the same front engine layout as all the other AMGs, with the transmission sitting right after the engine. It also needed room for a front differential due to 4Matic+. The engine is mostly behind the front axle as in all AMGs, but it's not mid-engine like the old GT, which had the transmission on the rear axle to make room for a front mid-engine plus the long hood.
Hmmmm......everything I've read confirms what you're saying but they appear to present it as if it's the same as the last model even with the changes.
Where do they present it that way? Certainly wouldn't put it past the Marketing department to twist the truth. I was at an AMG event in Germany at the Mercedes test facility in September, and they were very clear that the architecture is not the same as the previous generation. No dry sump, so engine mounted higher up and it's no longer a front mid-engine. The previous gen also had a dual clutch transmission and the new one uses the proven 9-speed MCT as all other 63 models, and then there's 4Matic+ instead of pure RWD in the previous gen.
I'm not talking about directly at MB in Germany. I'm rereferring to internet reviews, searches, talking to people at the dealerships (which I know are mostly uneducated on the vehicles), etc.... I'm fully aware it's a new architecture, no dry sump, higher engine mount, etc..... I don't know what I think about the 9 speed in it. It drove nice but felt like it was missing........something. Did you get to drive the vehicles when you were at the event in Germany?
I'm not talking about directly at MB in Germany. I'm rereferring to internet reviews, searches, talking to people at the dealerships (which I know are mostly uneducated on the vehicles), etc.... I'm fully aware it's a new architecture, no dry sump, higher engine mount, etc..... I don't know what I think about the 9 speed in it. It drove nice but felt like it was missing........something. Did you get to drive the vehicles when you were at the event in Germany?
Yeah those people don't know what they are talking about. Yes we drove them. I did a writeup at the link below.
Thanks for sharing. Good write-up! I think the biggest drawback (which you kind of hit) is the price point. The car is too expensive for what it is. Just over 100k.....maybe but pushing 200k (and even above) is crazy. There's too many other vehicles near that price point that are just better (imho). You reference your C63S several times. Is that what you still have at this point in time?
Thanks for sharing. Good write-up! I think the biggest drawback (which you kind of hit) is the price point. The car is too expensive for what it is. Just over 100k.....maybe but pushing 200k (and even above) is crazy. There's too many other vehicles near that price point that are just better (imho). You reference your C63S several times. Is that what you still have at this point in time?
Yes, I still have my C63 and decided to keep it. I just added to the post above that I later softened my impressions of the GT after driving my C63 again. If you scroll down in that thread I posted an update. Despite everything, I just find my C63 livelier with pure RWD and as said in the update, I recently put the BMW spec PS4S on it which transformed it. I think much of what I liked in the GT comes down to the new Michelin PS S 5 tires, which I'm convinced are based on the work BMW has done with Michelin on their PS4S variant for the M vehicles.
I like the C63 and am with you that it's not much different than the new GT. In all honesty I'd lean C63, CLE, etc.... instead of the new GT if it was me.
Interesting that you changed tires. I'm looking at swapping wheels and tires to a larger wheel in front and rear along with different tires. I'd love to find something that reduces the road noise even a little at this point. Where I live basically every road is textured and the volume of noise that gets transferred into the cabin is ridiculous.
I like the C63 and am with you that it's not much different than the new GT. In all honesty I'd lean C63, CLE, etc.... instead of the new GT if it was me.
Interesting that you changed tires. I'm looking at swapping wheels and tires to a larger wheel in front and rear along with different tires. I'd love to find something that reduces the road noise even a little at this point. Where I live basically every road is textured and the volume of noise that gets transferred into the cabin is ridiculous.
Yeah, I actually quite liked the CLE 53. I did a related write-up on driving the new C63 SE and the CLE 53 at the same event.
Regarding tires, despite being the FL model, mine came with Pilot Super Sport MO1 tires from the factory. I was disappointed with them, because I already had the PS4S on my previous car. I had the PSS before, but having had the PS4S afterwards just showed how old the PSS is now, so I replaced them with the generic PS4S aftermarket tire. I ran two sets of those on the AMG, but along the way I came across the video below. Usually you don't know how the manufacturer spec tires differ from the generic aftermarket tire and seeing how different BMW made it, I had to try it. Living in California means dry traction is pretty much all I care about and with BMW's increased focus on dry traction it seemed to be just the tire I was looking for.
As for noise, yes if you drive on textured concrete roads then the noise is insane. Here they use what's known as rubberized asphalt (asphalt mixed with shredded old tires). Drastically reduces road noise. We still have some concrete roads on overpasses and such and whenever I drive from the asphalt onto those, the noise level goes through the roof. Fortunately, those stretches are very brief.
I find it interesting that bmw's tires are marked with a star while MB's says MO. and MOE, I mean, who had that idea first, sounds like bmw hence why MB known for its star didn't get to put a star on their tires?
I find it interesting that bmw's tires are marked with a star while MB's says MO. and MOE, I mean, who had that idea first, sounds like bmw hence why MB known for its star didn't get to put a star on their tires?
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