Ted Baldwin

............In response to customer complainsts regarding the V60 and startac phones, i have been able to convince my local dealer to install the UHI kit available in Europe into customers who have D2b loop. They will continue to use the MHI kit for customers with MOST. They will use my W210 has the guinea pig so long as I can porovide them with the part numbers and everything has to be OEM. I have tracked down the part numbers for the S65/S66 cradle which is B6 787 5834 Siemens S65, SP65. But I need the part numbers for the PSE and the rest of the internals. Does anyone have this info. This can be of great benefit to MB owners who live in the South East.

Ted

benzmodz

So I take it that you want to install a W203 style UHI Euro phone system in the W210.

- UHI PSE for D2B (A230)
- W203 or W209 UHI main harness
- W203 extension cable
- W203 contact plate
- W203 adaptor piece for the contact plate
- phone floor plate in the armrest
- new compensator (fakra not wiclic) (A211)

Wolfgang

UHI PSE 230 820 42 26

Ted Baldwin

..............Thank you for the responses. I will forward this info to the dealer. They are kind of lazy and unless I can provide them with the part numbers, they were not going to expend the effort. But after they get it working on my car, they will use that info as a template for other customers with V60 and startac phone nightmare. They were not interested in Mikbox because according to them, they will only use OEM components due to liability and warranty issues. Of course this is bs, but that is the deal.

...........I think I still need part numbers for the harness, extension cable, floor plate and the adapter for the floor plate as listed by Benzmodz. I understand that the dealer can simply look up these items on their computer, but I was told that if the item is not for the US market, they are unable to find it in their computer. So any further help will be appreciated.

Ted

Ted Baldwin

..............ok, i found the part numbers for the contact plates. Here they are.

A23082005011 (171, 230)
A2038201311 (203, 209, 211)
A2158200611 (215)
A2208201511 (220)

.................. Wiring Harness 230 540 88 06 (about 5ft. long, connects to the PSE, cradle, compensator, fuse block, microphone, ground & wakeup signal)

............UHI Connector 230 820 05 11
............Connector Cable 230 820 38 15 (2ft.long)


.................I got this info from:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....46&postcount=1

Ted

Ted Baldwin

............so to do this in a w210 for a siemens s65/s66 phone. I probably need the following:

.......UHI PSE 230 820 42 26
.......Wiring Harness 230 540 88 06......(about 5ft. long, connects to the PSE, cradle, compensator, fuse block, microphone, ground & wakeup signal)
.......UHI Connector 230 820 05 11
.......Connector Cable 230 820 38 15 (2ft.long)
.......contact plate A2038201311 (203, 209, 211)
.......S65/S66 cradle which is B6 787 5834 Siemens

.............Is there something I am missing? I understand that the compensator is not neccessary. Please help. Thanks.

Ted

SUNILP

Ted,

The compensator is not necessary so you can wire it directly into the factory antenna. YOu can make your own harness adapter but you have to know which pins go where. This would eliminate the need for getting a new harness. Also, you will run into problems mating the new harness antenna connectors to the old antenna connectors. The new connectors UHI uses is Fakra and old is Mini UHF. In all honesty, it would be better if you can have your dealer aquire ready kits from Steve. He can also supply the harness adapter which can eliminate the need for the main harness.

benzmodz

The w210 is about twice the length of the R230. So using the R230 cable harness is impossible to fit since the cable gully is not in any way similar to the W210 sedan. The SL has a fuse box behind the rear drivers panel, the PSE in the centre console, and the rest under the passenger seat.

The reason I dont publish the numbers in this thread is that I havent seen the car. Anyone who hasnt seen the car will end up with the resultant list you have which is only marginal at best.

Not to mention the fact you didnt include the contact plate adaptor block or floorplate (the black piece with felt on it).

Your parts should all come from the W203 for starters. Something you could have bought from Steve as a total kit.

benzmodz

Bear in mind that an adaptor to the old wiring is not an original Benz part and can not be maintained by anyone other than Steve's corporation.

Wolfgang

UHI harness

Ted Baldwin

Your parts should all come from the W203 for starters. Something you could have bought from Steve as a total kit.

............I think you misunderstood me. My local dealer "Atlanta Classic Cars" is interested in the part numbers that will enable them to instal the UHi kit in my W210 as a guinea pig. Subsequent to this they will install the kits for US customers who currently do not have this option. The dealership is overwhelmed by customer complaints regarding the V60 and startac phones.

..........I understand that my list is marginal at best and that I should choose the parts from a W203. But I am not sure you know that I do not have those part numbers and as I understand it, you have the part numbers but do not wish to publish them. The idea is to provide the dealership with a set of part numbers relevant to each specific chasis. I am trying to collect this information and turn it over to the dealersship. So if you have the info, I will like your help.

Regarding steve. I contacted them in April. As I understand it, they do not have UHI kts available. Not since April 2005. Below is a link confirming this info.
LINK
But even if I was to purchase from Steve, how does this help other fellow Mb owners particularly those in the South East? The magnitude of the phone problem in the USA is enormous and steve alone cannot solve the problem. What you find here on the forum is only a tiny fraction of the the problem. I was able to convince the the dealership to look into using the European UHI kits amd in response, they want me to provide them with the part numbers.

Ted

The compensator is not necessary so you can wire it directly into the factory antenna. YOu can make your own harness adapter but you have to know which pins go where. This would eliminate the need for getting a new harness. Also, you will run into problems mating the new harness antenna connectors to the old antenna connectors. The new connectors UHI uses is Fakra and old is Mini UHF. In all honesty, it would be better if you can have your dealer aquire ready kits from Steve. He can also supply the harness adapter which can eliminate the need for the main harness.


..............Steve has not had the UHI kits available since April. As it stands now, my contact person at dealership says if they had the kits available today, they will have roughly six thousand potential customers who need them. I already have the UHI kit in my CLK and in my W463, my primary interest is in solving the phone problem for MB customers in my area. Will love to order from Steve, but he doesn't have the kits and can he supply six thousand of them? An option might be for Steve to come to the dealership and show them how to do it and subsequently supply them with the kits, and I could pursue this option but availability of the UHI kits from Steve especially for such a large number of customers is likely to be an issue.

Ted

MBenzNL

Ted,

we are working on an easier kit to retrofit UHI kits into pre UHI cars and that kit is already being tested in several cars...the parts come from the suplier of daimler chrysler but will cost a lot less...if that kit turnes out to be functioning without problems, we can easily suply these retrofit kits that will be easy to install for any dealership...6000 kits won't be a problem then.

greetingz,

benzmodz

What I call a kit and what others call a kit is not the same thing. A set of parts for a specific purpose is what I call a mod kit. I think Steve is referring to a special set of parts that take only minutes to fit and use the existing harness in the body of the car.

If you want good advice on a complete rewire and all the parts needed to make a whole UHI refit then these parts have never been out of stock. I buy these part sets often but never for a W210. Wouldnt want to give you a bum steer.

If you want a speedy kit that uses the pre-wire in the car then you should wait for Steve.

Either way you could buy these sets of parts from Steve and see what happens. The reason being is that Steve will discount on Euro parts moreso than any supplier I know and I do know several.

Ted Baldwin

.................this is a follow up on the isues raised in this thread. MBUSA has solved this problem. Begining in october 2005, you can upgrade your V60 and startac phones through your MB dealer. Those of us on this forum that are aware of the Mikbox, and Teve's Uhi kit may be oblivious to the incredible number of complaints that MBUSA has received on this telephone issue. The only practical solotion is a dealer based solotion. As wonderful as Steve is, he is unable to be available and does not have items in sufficient quantity to provide solution to the thousands of customers that have the problem and desire a solution. The Solution will a Bluetooth retrofit by your MB dealer. Here is a copy of an internal e-mail that was made available to me.


-----Original Message-----
From: rodney.ohara@mbusa.com [mailto:rodney.ohara@mbusa.com]
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:37 AM
To: Atlantic_Classic_Cars@dcx.dcx; Autohaus_Automotive@dcx.dcx;
Baker_Motor_Company@dcx.dcx; Benson_Motors@dcx.dcx;
Bert_Allen_Imports@dcx.dcx; Bill_Ussery_Motors@dcx.dcx;
Carolina_PR@dcx.dcx; Centennial_Imports@dcx.dcx;
Crown_Automotive_-@dcx.dcx; Eurocars_of_Lakeland@dcx.dcx;
Fayetteville@dcx.dcx; peter.glauser@daimlerchrysler.ch;
Holmes_European@dcx.dcx; Jack_Ingram@dcx.dcx; Leigh_Automotive@dcx.dcx;
Lokey_Motors@dcx.dcx; M_ercedes_Benz_of_Orlando@dcx.dcx;
McConnell_Automotive@dcx.dcx; Mercedes_Benz_of_Baton_Rouge@dcx.dcx;
Mercedes_Benz_of_Ft._Lauderdale@dcx.dcx;
Mercedes_Benz_of_Ft._Myers@dcx.dcx; Mercedes_Benz_of_Memphis@dcx.dcx;
Mercedes_Benz_of_Miami@dcx.dcx; Mercedes_Benz_of_Naples@dcx.dcx;
Mercedes_Benz_of_Nashville@dcx.dcx; Mercedes_Benz_of_Orlando@dcx.dcx;
Mercedes_Benz_of_Pembroke_Pines@dcx.dcx;
Mercedes_Benz_of_South_Orlando@dcx.dcx;
Mercedes_Benz_of_Sugarland@dcx.dcx; Mercedes_Benz_of_Tampa@dcx.dcx;
Mercedes_Benz_of_West_Palm@dcx.dcx; Mike_Schimitz_Auto@dcx.dcx;
Modern_Classic_Motors@dcx.dcx; Montgomery@dcx.dcx; Moss_Motors@dcx.dcx;
Park_Place_Motorcars@dcx.dcx; Riverside_Motors@dcx.dcx;
St._Petersburg@dcx.dcx; Walker_Automotive@dcx.dcx
Subject: FYI - Bluetooth



Our Bluetooth roll-out is shaping up as follows:

- October 2005 - Bluetooth retrofit kit for MY 2001 to 2004 cars.
Updates
older V60 system for use with new phones. Can be used to upgrade
customers
from TDMA to GSM handsets so they can maintain Cingular service.

- March 2006 - Bluetooth "cradle" for MY 2005 and up cars with MHI
phone
system. To be sold along with MHI cradles to give customer the choice
of
Bluetooth or full function cradle solution.

This should help you with dealers and customers until we launch MB
Bluetooth retrofit and options:

Our MB handsets currently feature Bluetooth for use with accessories
such
as earphones, PDA's and Laptops when out of the car. Bluetooth can be
a
real convenience for such uses. For in-MB-vehicle use, the wired MHI
cradle connection still provides some important advantages:
:
1. Safety - The cradle secures the phone in the car in case of a crash.
2. Built-in battery charging connection - Never worry about your
handset
battery going dead while in the car.
3. Built-in external antenna connection - Helps reduce dropped calls
4. Comprehensive data link with car - Phonebook download, signal
strength
indicator, roaming indicator, SMS messages, and call history download
are
functions supported by the MB cradle solution that are currently not
available with competitor Bluetooth systems.
5. Security - Our wired system is secure and immune to hackers,
"Blue-Jacking" is also not an issue because users can keep the
handset's
Bluetooth interface turned off.
6. Ease of use - Simply insert the handset into the cradle and the
system
is ready to use. No need to remember pairing procedures or worry about
handset compatibility.





Sincerely,

Rod O'Hara

Retail Training Specialist
Jacksonville Education Center


Ted

W210

Thanks for the very useful information! I wonder how the Bluetooth rectro-fit kit will work..

Ted Baldwin

Either way you could buy these sets of parts from Steve and see what happens.

I am not sure you are reading my post. The lack of availabilty of the complete UHI kit, prompted the search for a an alternative. My local MB dealer wanted the part numbers specific for each Chasis so that that they can purchase in large quanties to serve the large number of customers that have complained about V60 and Startac phones. Whatever I do individually with Steve or with another vendor does not accomplish this goal. It turns out MBUSA has solved the problem and one month from now, customers can have their v60 and startac phone kits retrofitted to a Bluetooth GSM system at their local dealership. And as a result, I nolonger need to provide them part numbers. I have no problem buying from Steve. Steve has great skill, but is simply too busy and has too small a corporation to serve as the permanent solution to the phone problem for the entire US market. And if you live in the South East, Steve's skill maynot be available to you at all.

Ted

ToonArmy

OH, believe me, I've certainly let MBUSA know of my displeasure at their lack of phone solutions. I'm just surprised that they've actually listened to their customers on this. The replies I received from them didn't convince me that they were at all responsive to customer needs.

As you note, it would be great if M-B offered a dealer-supported solution. While I'm happy with the UHI kit I had installed via MbenzNL, it would certainly help M-B to have this available more broadly, not just for those "in the know".

However, I'll withhold final judgement on this until I see details on the kit. Is it a true Bluetooth hands-free implementation with integration into the steering wheel and COMAND, allowing any Bluetooth phone? That would be nice, but it would require M-B to back down on their "no cellphones without external antennas".

I'm also disappointed to see that M-B are still trying to spread marketing FUD about Bluetooth-based systems (how complex is a one-time pairing?).

But I do applaud M-B for finally listening to their customers, albeit belatedly.

Arn560

Interested in Bluetooth, keep us posted.

Wolfgang

Does it integrate with the iPod phone?

zanshin

While the bluetooth announcement is a good thing, it's still not not a replacement for the UHI kit - at least for me. I've had a deposit with Steve since May and I'm still holding on to the hope he or Dean will make it to the east coast (anywhere east of the Mississippi at this point) so I can get a kit where I don't have to worry about antenna wires and power cords.

Ted, check your private messages. We need to gang up and put some pressure on Atlanta Classic Cars.

raunen

i found this but it doesn't add anything new
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/vrm.html

AK*S203*owner

http://www.curtrich.com/september2005.html

This link has good info under the heading called:

New Mercedes Phone Program

I originally posted the text here, but reread the newsletter and it said not to reprint the info without permission so I'm trying to keep myself out of trouble.