KeepRtPassLeft

Hey Jim, I would like to test these cars that your shop did the installation of the K40 Diplomatic Immunity Package.

After I test those vehicles with a real police LIDAR gun, my answer is:

jbondox

Already tested, local pd, who are head hunting me

jbondox

so when I recommend an Escort over a K40, what does that make me then? Seems like you should tell everyone your agenda, as radarking only posts when K40 comes up.

Now seeing I have an extensive clientele base of high end vehicles, do you believe that if there was a problem with it I would keep offering it?

I know this is the internet and some people have to market their agenda, such as LI through their cronies, but I am sure people with some sense can figure it out for themselves.

But lets see why K40 gets a bad rap by the internet cronies...

K40 will not allow it to be sold by all the little internet radar companies like radar roy...

K40 with threaten with a law suit and win

K40 will not sell their product to the end user without installation

Escort was just sued and lost


Now like I said before K40 is a great system when properly installed

jbondox

Also, I drive like an ****

Pntblnk

No dog in this hunt but I'll weigh in.

I have seen a couple K40 systems tested that failed miserably and have yet to see a Laser Interceptor fail (couple dozen installs) when properly installed. I have also been told from a reputable local installer that the K40 is one of his most profitable systems as they make $1500 - $2000 per installation and don't bother to test them. There isn't any sense in it other than verifying it can receive...little to no jamming capability.

The K40 marketing angle is to sell a perceived high end (price point only) / high performance product to people who have the money to burn and don't know anything about the actual performance. If you are shilling them then stick to your story...for those of us that are informed we get it. All about the $$$ as the actual system is ~$700 to the dealer and takes 4-6 hours to install unless you are a complete butter finger.

Atticuss

Jbondo,

I received this directly from you website. Here.

Both the K-40 and Escort systems are labor intensive installation that requires a lot of skill. Sure anyone can install the system, but North Olmsted Performance defines the correct way to implement the system. Our attention to details includes soldered connections, braided wire loom, and all wiring ran as if it was installed by Mercedes-Benz themselves. We then test the unit to ensure it is working 100% correctly.

Would you care to share the results of the cars you tested? Since you tested it, it must have jam the gun entire time...right? Also, what guns do you use when you test or own? I would love to come to your shop and witness a test. If I wanted to get my unit installed, could I witness the testing?

I'm looking forward to your answers.

jbondox

Sure, anytime you are in the area, I usually have 1 of the 3 LEO's that can run a laser test. radar is simple and that cant be screwed up usually I can't get out of the parking lot without it going off due to the Police station 1 mile away or a Distronic Plus vehicle on somewhere in the lot.

jbondox

I have replaced 2 laser interceptor 2 head systems that didn't work with a crap, called their tech department (guy selling them in Florida or Georgia) after about 4 phone conversations, 3 hours of screwing around with it, and sick of wasting my time, I installed a Escort ZR4 system that tied into his 9500 portable, worked like a charm. Second one, just looking at the cheap install, I didn't waste the breath and replaced with a K40, no issues. So that was 2 LI's I seen that came to me because of tickets, if LI is so great, have them pay for the tickets! K40 does for the first year. Which brings me to this, another point for someone with common sense to deduct a logical answer. If K40 pays for the tickets, for up to a year, how the hell are they in business? especially with a product that doesn't work? OHHH maybe you guys are thinking about Rocky Mountain Radar!

Also $1500-$2000 for the installation is the basic installed price, usually around the $2k range, profit is minus labor rate, minus the product cost. Escort which is easier to install (9500ci) used to be marketed at $2k installed until they lowered the price uninstalled on their website.

So to make $2k profit, it must be an exotic that requires a lot of time, i know the the SL65 Black Series costs $500 more because of the dismantle to place the sensors (carbon fiber interference)

marketing angle is far from what you interpret, maybe visit their website www.k40.com it seems there are several marketing angles, and a satisfaction guarantee... Again, your interpretation of 4-6 hours, guess it could be possible on a chevy, though I'd hate for you to be putting one on a vehicle.

I'm pretty much done with the conversation. feel free to show up any day and check out for yourself. I am sure there is nothing positive for you guys to say towards K40 since their policy basically thinks you guys are driven by the bandwagon and websites that sell products other than K40... or basically they don't take you serious. Not my policy, I could care less what you all think. I just find it funny in your little world it doesn't work and in my little world it works flawlessly for my clients

I am tired of coming to K40's defense, and recently escorts defense, over the same ol same ol conversations... I am just amazed there isnt 50 posts saying V1 +1

good night

KeepRtPassLeft

Jim,

Here is my proposal. I will come to your shop with one of my cars with a laser interceptor installed and my many LIDAR guns. You can invite as many of your customers as you wish that have a K40 system. I also invite you to bring a few of your customers who had you install an Escort 9500CI system for use as a comparison against the LI and K40.

We will score each car the following way: a jam to gun will get 0 points, a LIDAR reading from 1-250 feet will get 1 point, a reading from 250-500 feet will get 2 points, a reading obtained from 500-750 feet will get 4 points, and a car that gets a reading over 750 feet will get 8 points.

If any car that you have installed a K40 has less points than my car, I will pay you triple the price you sell and install your K40 systems. If my car has less points than each of the cars you have installed the K40 system in, that were tested, than you will remove the K40 system in each car tested and install a Beltronics STiR plus and a Laser Interceptor in each car at your expense. With me and the owner of the car choosing the best system and installation locations for the jammer heads.

It is time for you to put your money, where your mouth is.

DJTALLMO

Escort for me. Nice unit and has saved me 3x so far. Personal preference I suppose. Good luck.

Atticuss

You're telling me you have LEO's test these set ups? Why don't you just invite alkida to the white house to discuss military strategy as well? Why don't you just buy your own LIDAR guns? I see no logic in your thinking...

I'm looking forward to my trip to Ohio, and the testing from radarking.

jbondox

Why wouldn't I use a LEO? they are the ones that make the decision when issuing a ticket and are completely qualified to do it. my faith in a few biased kids on the side of the road with with a bone to pick to sell their agenda, doesn't instill the comfort I need to pass on to my clients

You found the other video's look a little further, and you will find the one with an old K40 laser defuser at about 400' jamming to the gun by a LEO... I know, i know, let me guess he is doing it wrong

jbondox

dont let them hear that, it would be a conspiracy

KeepRtPassLeft

Jimmy, First, I am your age. Second, I am your business's targeted demographic; a successful business owner with at least one graduate degree, with an annual income in the top 1%. I own multiple vehicles that cost more than $100k.

The difference between me and many of my contemporaries, is that before I purchased a laser jammer, I did my research and based my purchase on the science, not the garbage that I was being told by a high school graduate, that was just repeating the market materials that was given to him by K40.

My agenda, is for the members of this forum not to be BSed into making a purchase that they later regret. I have met people who regretted that they own or previously owned a K40 unit. Come on Jimmy, lets test some laser jammers together. I am giving you the opportunity to sell and install a K40 on one of my personal vehicles (ok, you and I know that isn't going to happen because you know the K40 doesn't perform as well as the Laser Interceptor).

Please keep testing your K40s with police officers. It teaches them that laser jammers don't work. Just don't let them test the other brands that do work. As far as the video where you have the police officer using the Kustom ProLaser III, the reason it showed the message HELP! Is most likely due to low voltage from the rechargeable battery. It wasn't an error due to the K40. The low voltage prevented the LIDAR gun from obtaining a reading on the K40 equipped car.

No need for me to use emoticons. Maybe you should go to college, and take some classes in physics and engineering to help you understand the science and the equipment involved with radar detection and laser jamming.

jbondox

UNCLE!

Atticuss

Keeprt is not trying to do anything but help. You could be making more profit off of Laser Interceptors and provide your customers with a better product. Even at the retail cost of 579.99$ for an LI dual, at the current rate you charge for an install, you probably could be making more and providing your customer with a much superior jammer.

Don't you find it ironic how there are dozens of videos of LI's working and zero videos of K40 actually working? I mean really, can you think logically for just one second? I'm just curious if you actually do any kind of research. Because from the looks of it, you just eat all the bull **** K40 feeds you. I feel like if K40 told you the world was going to end tomorrow you'd believe it.

I sincerely feel bad for you because you probably have this mind set when you purchase anything. You see something that's expensive and automatically think it's superior to everything.

edit:

I'm going to include your website in this thread so if customers Google your shop, hopefully the query will pull up this thread and then they can have their own opinions.

http://www.northolmstedperformance.com/

Mr.Radarguy

[quote=KeepRtPassLeft;5252196]I see that those videos are from an independent third party. Oh wait, they were posted by K40. K40 doesn't have any financial interest in posting video that they feel makes their products look good, oh yes they do.

First I have to say..... You are new to this forum " Jbon " has been a respected member for some time now and is well known in the industry. Secondly K40 has been in business for over 30 yrs if there product did not operate as advertised " THEY WOULD NOT BE IN BUSINESS " enough said.... The videos posted on k40's youtube channel are obviously not done by them here because I refuse to converse with people who have an obvious intent as you do. Escort, V1, Cobra, etc all have videos on youtube so unless there is some big conspiracy they are not guilty of anything.



The first video you posted is not a LIDAR encounter, but a K band radar encounter. The K40 gave about a 25 second alert prior to reaching the police. I estimate the driver in the first video was going about 30mph. That gave the driver about a 1/4 mile before reaching the police, to determine if it a true police radar, or a door opener. The problem, is that all police radars can get a reading on you at more than 1/4 of a mile. So the K40 in that instance if there wasn't any other traffic on the road if you were speeding, would have alerted you that you are getting a ticket. A good radar detector alerts you BEFORE you are in the range where the police can get a radar reading on you.

Your right about ONE thing, it is not a lidar encounter but a K-band encounter in a congested rural area around a bend the purpose of this video is to display reaction time and not distance. Because of the encounter it would be hard for any radar to detect any earlier then the K40 did. Because radar detectors are not to be installed behind metal, carbon fiber, rubber because it could have an effective on it's detection range, driving in a congested rural environment radar can be blocked and or bounce off of the metal cars buildings etc and considering the position of the LEO the K40 reacted immediately cornering the bend. You could drive that same road with the LEO in the same place and get a different response point each time, this is why radar is not tested in that same fashion.

For a manufacturer of radar and LIDAR countermeasures, you would expect K40 to know the different makes and models of LIDAR guns. The LIDAR gun used in the second and third videos is a Kustom ProLaser III, not the ProLaserII.

As stated previously K40 did not do those videos, they simply posted them.

In the third video, he got a reading on the ford. The change in tone is when he got a reading, and he put the gun down.

I am not being a jerk, I am just showing you these things so you may learn something, and be more knowledgable and equipped.[/quote

This video displays excellent range from the k40

http://youtu.be/8KGXSzDhBIk

or how about this video of the K40 vs. V1

http://youtu.be/MUfdnXwlg7M



We can go round and round, it is obvious you do not prefer the K40 however there is no need to bash them and that is all you have done since first posting on this forum so who has a hidden agenda?? Bottom line is that if they did not produce a " As Advertised " radar detector, they would not still be in business.

oh yes and FYI........

http://www.laserjammertests.com/k40laserdefuserex2.htm

http://www.laserjammertests.com/lase...ptorreview.htm

now can we please talk about something productive.

Bombscoop

I can't believe how Jbondox who sells, and "tests" these can continue to make false statements and not lose any sleep over it. You would have to be pretty greedy or cold hearted to sell a product which suggests it can save you from tickets, yet it clearly does not 99% of the time when it comes to laser.

Also, testing with a real LEO, I think ill go over to iraq, and let them test out the US's nuclear program.

Mr.Radarguy

Lmao....... You just joined and drive a camaro? What are you doing on this forum other then support bashing k40 by yet another person who just joined to only post comments bashing k40. I really don't understand the logic behind what you are doing. And again.... U drive a camaro I am sure they have a camaro forum u can join to bash k40.... Lol ... This thread has become ridiculously bias and I am bored

Atticuss

If you are so "intelligent" Mr.RadarGuy, please inform me of what kind of LIDAR guns you own and how many jammers you have installed or tested. What is your preferred jammer? And if you don't mind me asking, do you have some kind of technical degree (science, engineering...etc)?

The K40 reviews you posted mean NOTHING. Anyone can put numbers in excel and draw up a data sheet to make their product look good. So I ask again, why hasen't K40 posted their own videos of their jammers actually working?

Contact Blinder or Laser Interceptor and they will produce a handful. Contact K40 and you will get nothing.

Why am I asking all these questions? Because like, Keeprt, we own multiple LIDAR guns, install and test more jammers than you even know exist and have degrees in related feels because we know what we're talking about. In engineering school, I was taught to test by experiment. I spent countless hours in the lab building things (computer software and hardware) and more importantly, testing.

So if you're going to come in here without any solid evidence and talk down to us because you "think" you're right, I pity you. Clearly your not educated enough to actually defend your statements and have no evidence. If you do, feel free to post them and not links to a 3rd party site because my 5 year old brother can do that.

If you answer my questions, I may be able to better understand where you're coming from.

KeepRtPassLeft

Mr. Radarguy, messenger of misinformation. Those who are knowledgeable about radar detection know that the video you posted comparing the Valentine One and the K40 is not valid. You can't test two radar detectors on the same vehicle or two radar detectors in proximity to each other because radar detectors emit radar waves. All superheterodyne radar detectors do this. So what happens is that one radar detector that is emitting radar will cause the other radar detector to park on the frequency being emanated from the other radar detector. The V1 is very prone to this. So instead of spending much of its time looking for true threats it is parked evaluating the K40's signal. A proper way to test these two radardetectorforum against each other is to run one against a source of radar with the other one off. So each radardetector is not being interfered with.

Secondly, if you want to test the Valentine1 true radardetecting ability, you need to turn Ka guard off. The problem from doing this when running it with the K40, is that V1 will report all of the false signals emanating from the K40.

If you want to show true comparisons, then you need to show video where the tester hasn't deliberately handicapped the competition by amipulating the compitition's settings.

Mr.Radarguy

I agree that is why I did not Make the video but simply posted it unlike the videos you posted stating K40 jammers suck but you were testing a jammer that was 10yrs old.

KeepRtPassLeft

The videos I linked to were not made by me or contained any testing that I did.

Mr.Radarguy

Ok then why did you use them as an example of the K40 not working, same as supporting the videos. Either way, tit for tat, my brother can beat up your brother........ I mean seriously we all are arguing about what is the best radar and laser .............

KeepRtPassLeft

If I used my video, you would say I am biased or manipulated the test. Using public video on the Internet, shows no bias in testing. The fact of the matter is that there isn't any third party videos that shows the K40 laser jammer performs well.

It isnt that we are arguing on the best radar and laser countermeasures, we are discussing if some manufacturers make a product that performs within acceptable parameters.

This is a good discussion we are having.