Mr.Radarguy

Right off of Speedzones website.............. A third party company who test and does not sell

http://www.k40.com/filebin/laser/SML_-_EX_Defuser.pdf

Solidjake

K40 is pure GARBAGE.

Get a good detector like Valentine 1 or an Escort Redline (for a windshield mounted detector) or the Bel STI-R + for a hidden one.

Anyone who tries to sell you a K40 is scamming you.

KeepRtPassLeft

Test isn't valid because it was a preproduction prototype. No one knows if the specifications on the preproduction unit are the same as the production unit.

Rock

So is the latest 9500ci any good? I recently purchased one but it is sitting in the box waiting for my new car to arrive. When I say "any good" I am referring to its ability to protect me from laser threats.

KeepRtPassLeft

I know a number of people who had the Escort 9500ci and after testing purchased a different laser jammer. The radar detection on it is very good, only exceeded by the Beltronics STiRplus (made by escort).

The 9500ci will work well in most real world situations. For me when purchasing a laser jammer, I want the best. It isn't worth compromising and getting a ticket.

jbondox

Yes. Like the K40 and the Bell, it is a great system.

Rock

Hopefully you will be installing the my system in 3 or 4 weeks when my car finally comes into the NO dealership. KW coil-overs also need to go on.

I like the all-in-one system that the passport offers. Can you replace their laser diffusers with LI and still have the whole system integrated with one control unit?

KeepRtPassLeft

Unfortunately, LI and Escort can't be intergrated into one control unit. Fortunately fr the LI, there is only one switch, that many people will mount next to the STiR+ controller. The LI is have a CPU that I mounted above my footwell. A friend of mine (it is good to have a friend who is an electical engineer) deigned and built a mixer, so I can use the STiR+ amplified speaker for the LI and STiR+.

When I bought my first modern radar detector, I purchased a 9500i, for the reason if LIDAR started to be used in my area, I could purchase ZR3 jammers and intergrate them with the 9500i. After doing some research, I purchased LI laser jammers. I am awaiting the arrival of my newest addition, which is on a vessel crossing the Atlantic to install the 5 set of LIs on my cars.

At this time ZR4s can't jam the LTI truspeed S, which has a pulse rate of 4000 pulses per second. My state purchased 500 of these units and will be adding 1500 more in the next few years. There are also reports of them in Texas and California. Right now the only jammer that I can buy that can jam its the LI. I have seen some evidence that the we Blnder will be able to jam all of the LIDAR guns currently in use. I can't risk using a jammer that won't work against a LIDAR gun used heavily in my area.

Atticuss

Have him install a K40 since he is so adamant about them. Then, I can test them and we can really see how these jammers preform.

Sound like a deal?

KeepRtPassLeft

Now since I am not responding on my phone, I can explain why the Beltronics StiR+ is a better radar detector than the Escort 9500Ci. They are both designed, manufactured, marketed and sold by the same company. Escort owns Beltronics. They are basically identical. The differences between them are the Beltronics has a LIDAR detector built into the radar antenna, the Beltronics uses an inferior LNA (low noise amplifier), the Beltronics includes your traveling direction in reporting red light cameras and speed traps, and the Beltronics enables the user to turn off RDR (radar detector rejection), and allow BS (band segmentation) of super wide Ka band.

When a radar detector is scanning for radar signals, it is like when we were kids and had to manually turn the radio dial looking for a song we like. If we started at 88.1mhz, we could go to 107.9mhz until we ounce a song we like. X and K band radar is very narrow being centered on 10.525 ghz and 24.150 ghz respectively with a band range of 0.05 and 0.2 ghz respectively. Ka band runs from 34.3 to 36 ghz, a range of 1.7 ghz. The radar freqencies that are used in the US are centered on 33.8, 34.7, and 35.5 ghz. There is one specific radar gun that is no longer manufactured that uses 35.2. This gun was very rare, and is currently being phased out.

When a radar detector finds a radar signal, it doesn't alert you immeadiately. It evaluates the signal to filter out some signals that it knows aren't police radar signals. Many of the other signals that a radar detector will detect that are not police radar are emissions from other radar detectors. The most common false signal that a radar detector will filter out is from Cobra radar detectors at 33.6 to 33.7 ghz. Escort has created software named RDR (radar detector rejection) to filter these and other false alerts (Valentine Research uses Ka guard). If you turned off RDR or Ka guard, you will receive alerts much earlier, but you would receive many, many more false alerts. RDR can be turned off on the STiR+ and will be a feature that will be added to the Escort Redline for those who use Escort LIVE (hopefully by the end of the year I have been told), but not for the 9500ci. The second programable option that the STiR+ has that the 9500ci does not have is the ability to turn off scanning of some of the frequencies of Ka Band. By turning off the 33.6 to 33.7 ghz segment, you will eliminate Ka band false alerts. So the STiR+ with an inferior component compared to the 9500ci does perform better when RDR is turned off. Additionally, when having RDR on, you can completely miss Ka band alerts, that would have alerted with RDR on.

This is why I choose to use Beltronics STiR+ radar detectors over the Escort 9500ci. The Beltronics being significantly less expensive, is a nice bonus on top of superior performance. If Escort would offer firmware that would allow RDR and BS on the 9500ci, the 9500ci would be the superior radar detector, and I would then choose the 9500ci.

Rock

You sound like you have an ax to grind. I have never met or even spoken to Jim but I hear that he does beautiful work and was planing to have him complete an install for me. I hate to do things piecemeal and that is what attracted me to the 9500ci. Were the laser jamming test done with the 9500s latest software and firmware updates?

Mr.Radarguy

ARE YOU JOKING....... alright now I am done talking. It is obvious you have an intent all you have done is make up reason to bash K40 and enlighten people of this forum on why the L1 and Escort is so great. They make a forum specifically for this it's called radardetector.net thats where all the bias people hang out.

KeepRtPassLeft

I wouldn't spend a second at that forum.

Do you have a current K40 on your car? If so, I would be willing to bring my LIDAR guns and test your car. We would video it, and if you could have someone drive your car for you, you could witness the testing from the testers perspective. Then we would temporarily install (without drilling any holes) another brand of laser jammer and test that one too as a comparison. You and I can post the results both video and data here on this forum.

If the k40 tests as well as you think it will, I will then praise it to no end. It is not any brand that I am for or against. I am for the best performing radar detectors and laser jammer regardless of what company makes or sells them. Right now Beltronics and Valentine Research make the best radar detectors based on testing. If k40 comes out with a new product that is better, I am all for it. It is the same thing with laser jammers, right now LI is king of the hill, in a few weeks, I will be testing the new Blinder HP-905 and comparing it with the Laser Interceptor. If the Blinder tests better, then I will be recommending Blinder not LI. It is all in the testing results. I recommend the best products. I am not swayed by the brand name.

So do you want to do some testing together?

Atticuss

No, I have no ax to grind and neither does Keeprt. We are true radar detector and laser jammer enthusiasts. Once you get your jammer installed on your car how do you know it works? You must test the set up with LIDAR guns, something neither Mr.Radar or jbon have experience doing. Wouldn't you be upset if you spent thousands of dollars on a system that didn't work? I am offering to test your jammers free of charge, and then let you, the customer, be the voice of the product and the judge of the jammers.

Mr.Radarguy

[quote=KeepRtPassLeft;5257783]I wouldn't spend a second at that forum.

Do you have a current K40 on your car? If so, I would be willing to bring my LIDAR guns and test your car. We would video it, and if you could have someone drive your car for you, you could witness the testing from the testers perspective. Then we would temporarily install (without drilling any holes) another brand of laser jammer and test that one too as a comparison. You and I can post the results both video and data here on this forum.

Right now no but I have tested and ran with there current RL360 and it is a great radar and I can believe any of the videos on the RL360 to performing as good as it does because my results and feedback would be identical.

If the k40 tests as well as you think it will, I will then praise it to no end. It is not any brand that I am for or against. I am for the best performing radar detectors and laser jammer regardless of what company makes or sells them. Right now Beltronics and Valentine Research make the best radar detectors based on testing. If k40 comes out with a new product that is better, I am all for it. It is the same thing with laser jammers, right now LI is king of the hill, in a few weeks, I will be testing the new Blinder HP-905 and comparing it with the Laser Interceptor. If the Blinder tests better, then I will be recommending Blinder not LI. It is all in the testing results. I recommend the best products. I am not swayed by the brand name.

Beltronics and valentine......LMAO good radars yes but the k40 still offers the ultimate protection, providing directional awareness to the consumers by incorporating a rear facing radar detector which the Bel, Escort and V1 do not. When buying a radar that would be most important, would you rather buy a vehicle with 2 wheels or 4? At the end of the day a cobra will stop you from getting a ticket. The two companies who have been around the longets are Escort and K40 there is a reason for that everyone else came out of the wood work.

Mr.Radarguy

neither of you have proven anything but to sell product, both are newbies and have done nothing but argue and bash people and companies who are very creditable and have been around in the industry and on this forum for a long time.All you guys are trying to do it build this thread up by touting and bashing so when searched it will become seen by consumers.

Atticuss

I don't understand your thought process. We have offered to meet and test the products and you refuse. We are more than willing to be proven wrong. If K40 performs well, I want one! I have spent thousands on my countermeasures and if K40 is the best, I truly would like to invest in one.

You also have refused to answer any of my questions. Probably because you have never actually tested a jammer and don't own any LIDAR guns, unlike myself and Keeprt. Man up and put your money, "intelligence" and manhood where your mouth is.

KeepRtPassLeft

My motorcycle out accelerates, out brakes, and out handles any and all of my cars. So a two wheel vehicle is good in my and many others books.

Valentine one has front and rear facing horns, and offers directional awareness, as well as a bogey counter to inform you how many radar sources are out there. Does the k40 tell you hw many radar sources are out there?

Escort and Beltronics can tell you what is the frequency of the radar source, helping you decide if the signal is a true threat or a false. Escort and Beltronics can individually monitor and meter multiple threats at he same time. Can k40 do these things.

My second modern radar detector is a V1. I love my arrows and bogey counter. There have been times that I have only used my STR+, and at first missed my beloved arrows, but I can travel excellently protected with by my STiR+ without the arrows. One just needs to learn how to interpret the information from his radar detector and for some of my friends, the arrows are no longer necessary.

Mr.radarguy, I am enjoying our discussion, but your arguement fails here and did back in 2009 when you joined this forum. In three years you have posted only 40 times and all of them were promoting k40 products. Do you own a Benz, or do I see a Dodge in your video. Although D-B owned Chrysler (and thus Dodge) for a few years, that doesn't mean that you are driving a Benz.

jbondox

I applaud your enthusiasm, but I believe your enthusiasm turned to obsession in a David Koresh kind of way a long time ago. You guys aren't the final answer! If I, or anyone else disagree with your little "cult" of "self-proclaimed gospel" then you guys pounce the forum viciously.

I think you guys need to relax, step away from the keyboard, and re-read your posts. It is like arguing with a stop sign! Are you Cliff’s marketing tools?
I thought about this topic for about 5 minutes today driving to work... Besides how ridiculous it is, I have to state a few observations.

As with everything in life, there is good, better, and best. Like comparing a Camaro, to a BMW, to a MB! I am glad that the LI works and does so well with its followers. I am also happy that K40 and Escort work also.

So for the sake of beating a dead horse’s rotted corpse any further, and at the same time to dispose of you and your buddies trolling of the forums “spreading the word”, I will say the Escort and K40 are the good and better with the LI as the best.

Now would I ever offer them to any of my clients? Never! I have a few reasons however not one of them is to spite your “clan”. You can probably report back to Cliff that your mission is pretty much counter-productive as it makes you guys look immature and very unprofessional… after all this isn’t the Camaro forum.

My deciding factors comes down to reality
1.) I have many years of experience with K40 and Escort and both brands get the job done PERIOD! No customer complaints! I have been servicing the dealership for 6 years! If the customer ever complained to the owner that their system was junk and they keep getting tickets, he would pull the product. So, the #1 Mercedes-Benz Dealership in the Midwest, Mercedes-Benz of North Olmsted, 6x Best of the Best award winner (never done before in the history of the award) is saying they stand by me, K40, and Escort… after all we aren’t talking about $2000 radar/laser systems anymore we are talking about $35k-$200k vehicle “relationships”. Also, as seeing that the owner of MBNO, has a whole dealer group called the Collection Auto Group (www.collectionautogroup.com) which means we also service, Porsche, Aston Martin, Maserati, Lotus, Infiniti, Acura, Fisker, and many more to come. Personally, I would never burn that bridge by installing junk, my reputation is pretty good!
2.) LI, when in Croatia closed its doors once and burned quite a few people.
3.) K40 has a ticket guarantee that can be extended to 3 years, not so with the LI. And I am going to be pretty blunt with this when I say “If a product is superior, instead of running the mouth, how about backing it up with money?” K40 DOES! You get a ticket, they will pay for it radar or laser! Have Cliff start operating like that, see how that goes!
4.) Integrated units, no hodge-podge of parts, both K40 and Escort offer “integrated solutions” as in the whole package both radar and laser combined.
5.) You mentioned about the Bell and Escort differences, I am sorry but in the real world, that has a factor of a big 0, there will be ample time to slow down. I tell everyone, do not lead the pack, as any LEO that is not lazy can pick off the pack leader no matter what detector you are using V1, Bell, K40, Escort, Cobra…. Etc… Just to inform you, they also do their paperwork in the vehicle as they are running radar, it is their office.
6.) My few LEO friends, one a State Trooper, all consider it fishing. Sometimes you catch one, sometimes one gets a way, however there is more fish in the sea. They do not concentrate on a single vehicle or retry multiple times, move on to the next one. Sure there are times they stop and look at the vehicle as it passes, but that is to let the driver know they are watching. Kind of a warning, as we all know, Ohio passed a law a little over two years ago that a LEO can pull you over, give you a ticket, without the use of a radar/laser gun. http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Media/o...1#.T-qLs_VXlEM I know John Kim the Defense Attorney and he is very good at what he does, but lost that battle!

Now, on a personal note, you mentioned my company name with a link to it, I come here for MB as I love MB’s, I am not here promoting the company, and besides the Super Moderator, Rock. It will be the first time in the 5 years on this forum that I had anyone say they are coming to the shop. You pretty much pi55ed me off doing that, however it shows your maturity along with your intentions. Were you trying to belittle me? Hurt the company? Saying I am ripping people off because I choose another brand(s) over the one you are marketing? I am proud of our products and the installations we do. We hand pick our gear, provide phenomenal installations, and back it up with testing before we give it back to the customer. Basically, a “seal of approval” from us. Again, we build relationships here.

After writing this, I do see that your intentions were derogatory. So instead of crying to the moderator about it, I will be vindictive in my own way, where I said I wouldn’t (sorry). Let Cliff know, that never will I ever consider his product within the shop, and I am talking about over 300 systems a year minimal that we do between K40 and Escort. I will vote with the wallet! In fact, I will email him this myself, and let him know to maybe pursue a real marketing strategy as yours backfired.

Mr.Radarguy

Very well said ! 2x that

KeepRtPassLeft

Response above in red.

jbondox

I look forward to meeting you and taking care of your vehicle. Stop by any time if you have questions. I am in the Aston/Maserati/Lotus/Fisker building. At first I thought you were Alan, the Finance Manager who had the GTR. He recently purchased the CLS63 and is modding his with down pipes no cats and ECU from Renntech next week. And of course an Escort 9500ci with a Distronic Plus interface, as he is familiar with it in his other vehicles.

DamnLeftLaneHog

I wasn't going to register and comment, but feel I have to add my two cents. I will be upfront, that I personally know KeeprtPasslt, and can with 100% confidence say that he is NOT in ANY way receiving ANY financial or any other type of gain from ANY lidar or radar detector companies. When he says he is in the 1%, he's not lying or boasting. Its the truth and he has NOTHING to gain from what he is saying in this thread. Fact is, the K40 is a subpar radar detector and lidar jammer. As one of you mentioned in an earlier post, you admit that the Laser Interceptor is better than the K40. However, it is known and made aware from Laser Interceptor themselves, that a single jammer head is not sufficient enough to do the job. If you know the LI's are better then the K40, how can you tell your customers that a single head from an inferior K40 head will protect one end of a vehicle?

No one is here bashing your installation skills. I admit, they look outstanding and you should take pride in the work you do. The problem we as countermeasures enthusiasts have is not the quality of your work, but the lies you tell your customers about the products you sell. It is fact that installers make the biggest profit from installing K40 products, therefore simple business sense tells you to sell the product that can garner the biggest profit. Where it is wrong is that you are deceiving your customers. Also, by reading your posts, it is so obviously apparent that you do not know about radar detectors and lidar jammers to the capacity that you should, since you are selling them. People like keeprt are here to educate your current or potential customers, that they are being sold a inferior product at a very inflated price. What your customers need to know is that YOU as the installer profits greatly from selling K40 products. They also need to know that if they are really spirited drivers, sooner or later, the K40 will bite them in the ***.

What I would like to ask is how come you repeatedly ignore the fact that keeprt is willing to be proven wrong. He is willing to meet with you and prove that the K40 is not what you say it is. If you are so confident in the product you sell, how come you are not willing to put your money where your mouth is, and do some real testing. We literally have access to EVERY lidar gun that is being used at the moment. Literally. We have the means to test, you have the product you say is great. Prove it to us and to your customers.

Again, we are not here to bash or troll, but are here to inform your customers, and to give you the opportunity to prove us wrong, and to back up your claims with real results.

BTW, as you are aware, we are not the first ones on this forum to inform the public the K40 sucks. But unlike this thread, we will not stop until you and your customers are properly educated. I hope you accept the offer to test your products. If they work as you claim, think about how much added business you could achieve. And don't rebuttal that by saying you already have enough business. We ALL want more business so please don't use that as an excuse.

https://mbworld.org/forums/audio-ele...xperience.html

Mr.Radarguy

OK.....OK.......... we all love LI ok! LI is the best it is awesome I want to buy 1000, how much????? LOL !

NOW go away, your points are becoming ridiculous and redundant and borderline argumentative. It is obvious you know nothing about any other product then what you sell. If you did you would not be making uneducated statements like;

1. The V1 being able to count multiple bogies, does the K40 do that?

2. Thinking the K40 only comes with 1 laser defuser, when you can have as many as you want on the vehicle.

3. Thinking that it's K40 radar that is overpriced ie;

K40 RL360 $1,849.95 ( Front & Rear radar )
Escort 9500ci $1,699.95 ( Front only Radar )
Beltronics stir $1,299.99 ( Front only radar with NO jammers )

That oh course is suggested mfg. retail not what there dealers may or may not sell it for and again the mfg has nothing to do with that they can not control pricing that would be illegal and no 12 volt shop would then sell it. The pricing to the consumer really depends on that shops labor rate.

4. Thinking K40 offers a speeding ticket guarantee because there product does not work. That's like saying car mfg. offer warranties because they know there cars are unreliable. Lets do the math 30yrs of being in business and selling radar that came with that guarantee, hmmm I am not a math magician but I am pretty sure that if it indeed did not work they would not still be in business.

Now we all know that LI is factory authorized dealers for Bel and Escort so I would imagine you touting anything else but that. I know what your intent is but your really beating a dead horse here, now you can continue to argue and bring newbies in here to back you up all I am asking is that you stop. WE GET IT, you prefer LI, Escort and Bel let everyone else prefer what they want. Nobody needs you to come and test product for them, they are can do that themselves.

DamnLeftLaneHog

Why are you getting defensive? People tend to get that way when they know they are in the wrong. We tout the LI's b/c as of RIGHT NOW, it is THE BEST on the market PERIOD. We are actually eagerly anticipating the release of the new Blinder HP-905 so we can test it. Again I say, we are not affiliated with LI, Escort, Blinder, Bel, or ANY OTHER radar detector or lidar jamming companies. We are a 100% INDEPENDENT TESTING GROUP. We test products and TELL IT HOW IT IS. We do not embellish the truth. We do not withhold any information, which you continually do. We LET THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. Perhaps that is not believable to you because you are incapable of telling the truth, and your sole purpose for being on this site is to milk the money out of hard working people who are not properly informed on the subpar product you are selling. 49 posts? Really? Do you really think people will believe you are on this site other than the sole purpose of taking people's money.

AGAIN, I ASK!!! HOW COME NEITHER OF YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THE OFFER TO TEST THE PRODUCTS YOU SO HIGHLY TOUT?!?! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE?! IF IT IS TRUE THAT YOU ARE RIGHT AND WE ARE WRONG, THAT WOULD MAKE YOUR COMPANY LOOK GREAT! WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

Since I know you two will never accept the challenge, I URGE THE MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM WHO HAVE THE K40 radar detector and lidar jammer installed on their vehicles, to contact either keeprtpasslt, atticus, or me and we will be MORE THAN HAPPY TO TEST YOUR VEHICLES FREE OF CHARGE! All we would ask from you is for you to come with an open mind, and that you report your findings here the way it is. And that goes both ways. If you find the K40 is better than the LI's or other lidar jammers, post it here. We don't mind and do not try to hide behind tough words or accusations of being trolls. I think the members of this forum can see who the professionals are in this discussion. Again, I propose, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. Except we do not ask for any monetary compensation. All we ask is that you be truthful to your customers.

SO AGAIN, members of this forum who have the K40 installed, contact us and we will test your jammers FREE OF CHARGE.