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New UHI Cradle Part Numbers
According to a german source, here are some part numbers for the UHI cradles. I can verify that both the Nokia 6310 and Siemens s45 cradles are both correct since I have seen them in person.
Nokia: 6210, 6310, 6310i Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 22
Nokia: 6100, 6610, 7250 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
Siemens: S45, S45i, C45, M50, MT50, ME45 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 26
Siemens: S55, C55, M55 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 27
Siemens: CX 65, S65 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
Siemens: CX 65, S65 Private Mode Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
Sony Ericsson: T610 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 30 demnächst
Motorola: V60i Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 28
Motorola: V300, V525, V600 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
Nokia: 6210, 6310, 6310i Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 22
Nokia: 6100, 6610, 7250 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
Siemens: S45, S45i, C45, M50, MT50, ME45 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 26
Siemens: S55, C55, M55 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 27
Siemens: CX 65, S65 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
Siemens: CX 65, S65 Private Mode Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
Sony Ericsson: T610 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 30 demnächst
Motorola: V60i Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 28
Motorola: V300, V525, V600 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
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Re: New UHI Cradle Part Numbers
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Nokia: 6100, 6610, 7250 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
Nokia: 6100, 6610, 7250 Teilenummer Handyschale B6 787 58 ?? ca. 2 Quartal 2004
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This information is posted at Telematik-Center exactly as Sunman has it, indicating "2 Quartal". I don't know if that's confirmation, or just the same source as Sunman's information. The page says "Updated June 8", for what that's worth.
The Sony Ericsson 610 adapter says "demnächst" (shortly), and has a part number listed, unlike the "2 Quartal" ones that have ??, so I think that would mean the Sony-Ericsson one is imminent?
The Nokia phones listed (6100, 7250) are, afaik, all "pop-port" models, which could mean that other pop-port phones might also work, even if not explicitly supported.
The Sony Ericsson 610 adapter says "demnächst" (shortly), and has a part number listed, unlike the "2 Quartal" ones that have ??, so I think that would mean the Sony-Ericsson one is imminent?
The Nokia phones listed (6100, 7250) are, afaik, all "pop-port" models, which could mean that other pop-port phones might also work, even if not explicitly supported.
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Sunman (or anyone else): what is the latest word on availability of UI for the US? The last I heard MB was not bringing UHI here. So the question then becomes whether on an 05 E211 UHI can be fitted without rewiring the entire system. If there has to be a rewire, better to install the factory phone and if you want to use another, use a Mikbox. However, if the UHi can be "plug and play" with the existing BUS, I think lots of us would try to do it. Any thoughts?
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The information i posted is from a telematic site in german so I am not sure about the dates Scorchie. As for UHI, i have been told that motorola has a 10 year contract with MB USA and till it is over, no new models would be introduced. I am not sure about this but this is what I have heard. Doing a retrofit of UHI on a CLK 209 or C 203 is fairly straight forward. But the 211 is too difficult since the Teleaid and PSE are combined into one unit as Scorchie has written about before. Euro doesn't have teleaid so their system is easy to install. I think we will have to wait but I am not sure when MB will introduce UHI in the USA or weather the will ever. When i click on new models in MBUSA, the phone options for the c class have changed and now it says the PSE is mounted in the car already and that option is around 800 bucks. The phone and cradle have to be purchased. I don;t know if this is the new UHi system or still the old motorola v60.
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This information is posted at Telematik-Center exactly as Sunman has it, indicating "2 Quartal". I don't know if that's confirmation, or just the same source as Sunman's information. The page says "Updated June 8", for what that's worth.
The Sony Ericsson 610 adapter says "demnächst" (shortly), and has a part number listed, unlike the "2 Quartal" ones that have ??, so I think that would mean the Sony-Ericsson one is imminent?
The Nokia phones listed (6100, 7250) are, afaik, all "pop-port" models, which could mean that other pop-port phones might also work, even if not explicitly supported.
This information is posted at Telematik-Center exactly as Sunman has it, indicating "2 Quartal". I don't know if that's confirmation, or just the same source as Sunman's information. The page says "Updated June 8", for what that's worth.
The Sony Ericsson 610 adapter says "demnächst" (shortly), and has a part number listed, unlike the "2 Quartal" ones that have ??, so I think that would mean the Sony-Ericsson one is imminent?
The Nokia phones listed (6100, 7250) are, afaik, all "pop-port" models, which could mean that other pop-port phones might also work, even if not explicitly supported.
Regardless, we will just have to see.
Also, the listed models are in fact pop-port. Phone models available now that are not those listed, are probably not PHYSICALLY compatible with the UHI cradle. For instance, the 6800 is a pop-port model, but it is quite a bit larger than a 6100, so it is unlikely that it would fit into the same cradle.
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Sorry bud but no good news for you. Scorchie has a E class and is faced with the same dilemma. There is no easy route for UHi on the E as of now since the Teleaid Box is giving some problems. If you get rid of teleaid, that would be much eaiser. But to my understanding, the current setup has the teleaid and phone PSE in one box. Can't add the UHI pse. I think USA is the only country with teleaid. I think... And from my understanding, MB and Motorola have a contract for 10 years for the current v60 phone. I don't know how many years it has alrady been.
Sorry bud but no good news for you. Scorchie has a E class and is faced with the same dilemma. There is no easy route for UHi on the E as of now since the Teleaid Box is giving some problems. If you get rid of teleaid, that would be much eaiser. But to my understanding, the current setup has the teleaid and phone PSE in one box. Can't add the UHI pse. I think USA is the only country with teleaid. I think... And from my understanding, MB and Motorola have a contract for 10 years for the current v60 phone. I don't know how many years it has alrady been.
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Randy, acutally you can use www.mikbox.com but the cradle will be the generic v60 cradle from Motorola.
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Nope, the mikbox will not work in the W211, since that car has a completely different interface (as a matter of fact, we tried it on Randy's car !)
Does the 2005 W203 also have the new phone interface and the MOST bus?
Does the 2005 W203 also have the new phone interface and the MOST bus?
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Nope, the mikbox will not work in the W211, since that car has a completely different interface (as a matter of fact, we tried it on Randy's car !)
Does the 2005 W203 also have the new phone interface and the MOST bus?
Does the 2005 W203 also have the new phone interface and the MOST bus?
Hopefully my e-mail will be back up tomorrow...
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Randy,
Sorry bud but no good news for you. Scorchie has a E class and is faced with the same dilemma. There is no easy route for UHi on the E as of now since the Teleaid Box is giving some problems. If you get rid of teleaid, that would be much eaiser. But to my understanding, the current setup has the teleaid and phone PSE in one box. Can't add the UHI pse. I think USA is the only country with teleaid. I think... And from my understanding, MB and Motorola have a contract for 10 years for the current v60 phone. I don't know how many years it has alrady been.
Sorry bud but no good news for you. Scorchie has a E class and is faced with the same dilemma. There is no easy route for UHi on the E as of now since the Teleaid Box is giving some problems. If you get rid of teleaid, that would be much eaiser. But to my understanding, the current setup has the teleaid and phone PSE in one box. Can't add the UHI pse. I think USA is the only country with teleaid. I think... And from my understanding, MB and Motorola have a contract for 10 years for the current v60 phone. I don't know how many years it has alrady been.
1) more countries than USA have "TeleAid" but it is called different things elsewhere. Usually it is an option outside of the USA, but in the USA it is standard more often.
2) It appears that the combo PSE/TeleAid may go away, and separate controllers used. This could be a cost cutting measure so that cars that do not get phones are not configured with unnecessary costly hardware. The newer TeleAid units (W211 part number) appear to be used across the whole MOST model lines.
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Sunman, Mik came to Orlando and we tried making the box work. Had fun, but it would not work due to several things being unique on the W211 with MOST. As far as Teleaid goes, mine is off and never exepected to be turned back on. So if I need to disconnect something or cut a wire or two to make the V600 work in the car, that is more than OK with me. Please advise gentlemen!
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Originally Posted by Randy B
Sunman, Mik came to Orlando and we tried making the box work. Had fun, but it would not work due to several things being unique on the W211 with MOST. As far as Teleaid goes, mine is off and never exepected to be turned back on. So if I need to disconnect something or cut a wire or two to make the V600 work in the car, that is more than OK with me. Please advise gentlemen!
The only difference it makes is that when you rip it and the wiring out, you won't miss it. Other than that, the job is still just as difficult... which is running a completely new wiring harness for the phone system, and figuring out which parts are really the ones to be used.
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Randy,
In that case, I suppose you can remove the teleaid unit out of the d2b loop and add the UHI unit in place. I am pretty sure you will have to add the new harness from PSE to center console. Then you can choose which ever cradle you want to use. You cna use your current antenna also with the UHI. I am not sure what implications are involved in removing the TEleaid unit. On the w203 it's very easy.
In that case, I suppose you can remove the teleaid unit out of the d2b loop and add the UHI unit in place. I am pretty sure you will have to add the new harness from PSE to center console. Then you can choose which ever cradle you want to use. You cna use your current antenna also with the UHI. I am not sure what implications are involved in removing the TEleaid unit. On the w203 it's very easy.
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Randy,
In that case, I suppose you can remove the teleaid unit out of the d2b loop and add the UHI unit in place. I am pretty sure you will have to add the new harness from PSE to center console. Then you can choose which ever cradle you want to use. You cna use your current antenna also with the UHI. I am not sure what implications are involved in removing the TEleaid unit. On the w203 it's very easy.
In that case, I suppose you can remove the teleaid unit out of the d2b loop and add the UHI unit in place. I am pretty sure you will have to add the new harness from PSE to center console. Then you can choose which ever cradle you want to use. You cna use your current antenna also with the UHI. I am not sure what implications are involved in removing the TEleaid unit. On the w203 it's very easy.
2) the UHI PSE goes in a different place than the CP
3) the whole harness has to be replaced, which includes power, CANBUS, fibre wakeup, and of course the wiring to the center console as you mentioned. If you are removing the old harness, it also goes to the TeleAid buttons, antenna power, antenna switch, etc.
Oh, you're also supposed to use a different cover in the center console... at least it has a different part number!
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Well Crap!!! This sounds very extensive for a W211 phone system. Guess I need to wait a little longer and see what MBUSA does. This sucks!!!!!
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The bad part is that if they do come as seperate modules, I am sure the it will be difficult to order the teleaid module for your car specific to your vin. All teleaid modules are specific to vin which makes them hard to order. I believe they are programmed specific to your car. VIN numbers are written on top of the Teleaid Module. Plus, the activation center won't be able to activate a Teleaid Module not associated with your VIN. This makes matters worse! And yes, w211 is mode connected as my car is d2b which is a bit eaiser to work with. You can keep all the wiring in the car for teleaid even though you remove module.
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The bad part is that if they do come as seperate modules, I am sure the it will be difficult to order the teleaid module for your car specific to your vin. All teleaid modules are specific to vin which makes them hard to order. I believe they are programmed specific to your car. VIN numbers are written on top of the Teleaid Module. Plus, the activation center won't be able to activate a Teleaid Module not associated with your VIN. This makes matters worse! And yes, w211 is mode connected as my car is d2b which is a bit eaiser to work with. You can keep all the wiring in the car for teleaid even though you remove module.
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I was wondering if Sunman or Scorchie could shed some light on this. I'm still confused about why UHI or Bluetooth are not available in the US. I have a 2005 SL55 on order so I'd like to put UHI or preferably Bluetooth in it. I was reading the following from Wolfgang's excellent site:
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is standard on the Maybach, CL600 and S600 and optional on others, in two versions: It's option 381 (CP-LIGHT, no TeleAid) for € 960 or together with TeleAid option 383 (CP-HIGH), and in the E-Class sedan and estate option 383 (CP-HIGH) for € 1580. It comprises an embedded WAP GSM phone and privacy handset with SIM card reader in the center armrest, hands-free system (using the car's audio system, steering wheel controls, COMAND/instrument cluster display, microphone), roof antenna and TeleAid/E-CALL with a 3 year subscription. Linguatronic voice recognition is optional. It's also planned for the new C-class - with COMAND III. Both versions connect via a high speed MOST fiber, which makes a retrofit into earlier D2B fiber models cumbersome. The SAP (SIM-Access-Profiles) allow using cellphones in the car, but this doesn't work with the popular 6310i.
The Mercedes Universal Handy Interface (UHI)
became available outside of the US and can be ordered with the C, CLK cabrio and coupe, M, SL, G option code 386 for € 460 list. W211 and other models to follow in 2004. Owners are free to choose between select generic Nokia, Siemens or Motorola cellphones. Individual adapters for each phone are available from MB accessories. When inserting the phone make sure the small car shows up in the phone's display. Otherwise remove and reinsert. I had to fumble a bit till it worked. The latest UHI interface is 230 820 42 26 (software Q4, March 2004). The latest phone software versions are recommended. If one sticks a Bluetooth phone into the UHI it then connects other Bluetooth phones/devices/portables in the car - wirelessly."
So, it would seem there is a version with Teleaid (CP-high) for Bluetooth. Based upon what I have read I am under the understanding from the discussions that the problem with UHI is that the new PSE's had teleaid built-in and that precluded use of the special PSE for UHI? So, does this info mean that we can use Bluetooth in the US? Guys, does this info shed any light on the issue?
Jeff
I was wondering if Sunman or Scorchie could shed some light on this. I'm still confused about why UHI or Bluetooth are not available in the US. I have a 2005 SL55 on order so I'd like to put UHI or preferably Bluetooth in it. I was reading the following from Wolfgang's excellent site:
"Bluetooth
is standard on the Maybach, CL600 and S600 and optional on others, in two versions: It's option 381 (CP-LIGHT, no TeleAid) for € 960 or together with TeleAid option 383 (CP-HIGH), and in the E-Class sedan and estate option 383 (CP-HIGH) for € 1580. It comprises an embedded WAP GSM phone and privacy handset with SIM card reader in the center armrest, hands-free system (using the car's audio system, steering wheel controls, COMAND/instrument cluster display, microphone), roof antenna and TeleAid/E-CALL with a 3 year subscription. Linguatronic voice recognition is optional. It's also planned for the new C-class - with COMAND III. Both versions connect via a high speed MOST fiber, which makes a retrofit into earlier D2B fiber models cumbersome. The SAP (SIM-Access-Profiles) allow using cellphones in the car, but this doesn't work with the popular 6310i.
The Mercedes Universal Handy Interface (UHI)
became available outside of the US and can be ordered with the C, CLK cabrio and coupe, M, SL, G option code 386 for € 460 list. W211 and other models to follow in 2004. Owners are free to choose between select generic Nokia, Siemens or Motorola cellphones. Individual adapters for each phone are available from MB accessories. When inserting the phone make sure the small car shows up in the phone's display. Otherwise remove and reinsert. I had to fumble a bit till it worked. The latest UHI interface is 230 820 42 26 (software Q4, March 2004). The latest phone software versions are recommended. If one sticks a Bluetooth phone into the UHI it then connects other Bluetooth phones/devices/portables in the car - wirelessly."
So, it would seem there is a version with Teleaid (CP-high) for Bluetooth. Based upon what I have read I am under the understanding from the discussions that the problem with UHI is that the new PSE's had teleaid built-in and that precluded use of the special PSE for UHI? So, does this info mean that we can use Bluetooth in the US? Guys, does this info shed any light on the issue?
Jeff
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So, it would seem there is a version with Teleaid (CP-high) for Bluetooth. Based upon what I have read I am under the understanding from the discussions that the problem with UHI is that the new PSE's had teleaid built-in and that precluded use of the special PSE for UHI? So, does this info mean that we can use Bluetooth in the US? Guys, does this info shed any light on the issue?
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The combined PSE/TeleAid is peculiar to the W211. Since you are ordering an R230 of which there are no examples in the US yet, we don't really know what it will look like. My guess is that it will have the new "TeleAid low cost" module for MOST bus which does not integrate the PSE, and thus adding an UHI PSE/cradle should be pretty easy, as it is in the W203.
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Scorchie, you da man.
BTW, yes, I did notice that it is fixed. As I think you had mentioned previously, Bluetooth is used in an unusual fashion by MB. The phone is fixed and Bluetooth is used to provide the handsfree handset. At first, I thought that was not a problem, but now that you mention it, it would be better to have the UHI where one could plug in a mobile phone. Assuming one uses a mobile phone with Bluetooth, one could get the Bluetooth wireless functionality such as the headset which I was interested in.
How will I be able to tell if the SL has the combo PSE/Teleaid vs the split system?
Jeff
BTW, yes, I did notice that it is fixed. As I think you had mentioned previously, Bluetooth is used in an unusual fashion by MB. The phone is fixed and Bluetooth is used to provide the handsfree handset. At first, I thought that was not a problem, but now that you mention it, it would be better to have the UHI where one could plug in a mobile phone. Assuming one uses a mobile phone with Bluetooth, one could get the Bluetooth wireless functionality such as the headset which I was interested in.
How will I be able to tell if the SL has the combo PSE/Teleaid vs the split system?
Jeff
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Scorchie, you da man.
BTW, yes, I did notice that it is fixed. As I think you had mentioned previously, Bluetooth is used in an unusual fashion by MB. The phone is fixed and Bluetooth is used to provide the handsfree handset. At first, I thought that was not a problem, but now that you mention it, it would be better to have the UHI where one could plug in a mobile phone. Assuming one uses a mobile phone with Bluetooth, one could get the Bluetooth wireless functionality such as the headset which I was interested in.
How will I be able to tell if the SL has the combo PSE/Teleaid vs the split system?
Jeff
BTW, yes, I did notice that it is fixed. As I think you had mentioned previously, Bluetooth is used in an unusual fashion by MB. The phone is fixed and Bluetooth is used to provide the handsfree handset. At first, I thought that was not a problem, but now that you mention it, it would be better to have the UHI where one could plug in a mobile phone. Assuming one uses a mobile phone with Bluetooth, one could get the Bluetooth wireless functionality such as the headset which I was interested in.
How will I be able to tell if the SL has the combo PSE/Teleaid vs the split system?
Jeff
Or, when we get Mercedes documentation (EPC or WIS) that is new enough to cover your car, it will tell us, although it might be in a cryptic fashion.
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