paleface

nope, im from jakarta/indonesia.

Why? Is england already have aftermarket downpipe for c250 coupe??

StuttgartUSA

No your dyno through me off. it read for the torque in newton meters not in lbs ft like in the USA.

paleface

oh, i see. so is it good or bad numbers?

what is the different between lbs ft and newton meter?

also, terry mention using only jb beta+ can gain up to 20hp to the wheels and 40 torque to the wheels. But if you look my dyno sheet, i think it only gain around 10BHP. i dont know whats wrong, but for now i'm satisfied with those numbers .

StuttgartUSA

If you where on a Dyno it should be WHP not BHP so those results are good. Not bad torque numbers at all still came in at 245 lbft on the American system.

paleface

No, its not WHP but BHP (on engine/crank). Not On Wheels. Those result are in BHP. If u see the grafic sheet, it says BHP. In Indonesia, most of dyno machine is result to engine HP, not WHP. only 1 speed shop has dyno
machine WHP. But once again, im happy with this result fot now hehhehe

StuttgartUSA

No no no, trust me its not BHP! The only Dynos that measure BHP cost millions of dollars and the Manafactuers posses them. Dynometers say BHP on there printouts but its really WHP. You would have to physically remove the engine to get BHP.

dave405nyc

20hp to the wheels is under the curve, not peak hp. seems that you got a 22whp gain under the curve at 2500 rpm

StuttgartUSA

To follow up what dave said, if you get the intake you get 20whp over the curve.

andrew e coupe

~ ordered one yesterday! looking forward to it.

Petje

Think they have i have got mine from UK... Sports cat with downpipe.

Dont know if the cat and down for the coupe is the Same.

StuttgartUSA

^^^^^^ Bad Idea unless you had a custom tune with the downpipe, very bad for that little engine

Petje

Its not from just an unknown tuner, and Kleemann also offers this for the CGI.

Think they have enough experience with the M271 engine here in Europe.

StuttgartUSA

Okay so who is this mystery tuner than. And the Kleeman tune is not worth the spit out of my mouth. Plus the Kleeman tune and downpippe only deleiver a measly extra 10 HP a true downpipe and correct tune should yield no less than 30 whp. The US tuners will get the most out of these tunes not of Europe that has been historically proven.

Petje

Mystery tuner ? Its in my sig. so no mysterie about it.

Its SKG performance ( also does Kleemann for UK)
I know they also sell a lot to Singapore .

Whats your prob with Kleemann ?

Petje

Kleemannwebsite:
180-K2: K1 + a stainless steel exhaust downpipe with sport cat and a hiflow air filter. Up to 200 HP and 315 Nm (233 lb-ft) of torque.

So its cat and down.

StuttgartUSA

There is no problem with Kleeman. There fine as a tuner. The thing is that they sell a product just like JB but charge 4 times the cost. Its the same thing, but I regress. Kleeman offered a half solution to the problem for addressing HP. They should of done a Wastegate plus downpipe for big HP gains.

Petej you dyno your car as of yet?

Petje

Kleemann prices are to high , thats true.

Havent found a tuner with a wastegate for the CGI.
Only Brabus with their S kits, theres also a bigger intercooler with that kit.
But also high priced and not a huge increase of HP

StuttgartUSA

Okay installed the tune on my car. Very quick thoughts on the tune and Intake. Noticable sound increase not sure I like that but for some more power its worth it. Torque is increase in considerable. I live in Germany and this comes very handy on the autobahn. Puddling around you notice that the car feels faster and has somewhat of a crisper throttle response than before not night and day but there is improvement there. Lag is also diminished but also present but to a lesser degree. Overall very satisfied with the tune and the price I paid for it.

andrew e coupe

~ some added go go arrived...

StuttgartUSA

Your thoughts?

andrew e coupe

~ i haven't installed yet... perhaps tomorrow... updates to follow.

_Bondo_

I come from the DSM crowd, where I learned that doing an intake on a forced-induction system does not yield a high percentage of gains due to the fact that the turbo is already moving so much air (lbs/hr) that a freer flowing filter is like pissing in the ocean.

DameMD

That's true.

Also, has anyone looked at the exhaust piping under the car. I am not too familiar with the exhaust on this car but I can tell you, after having my car up on a lift the other day I was able to observe our pathetic piping. The piping looks like it belongs on a Honda Civic. I am wondering if this car can free up some HP/TQ with bigger exhaust piping at least 2.5+ piping from the down-pipes to the muffler. Most turbo cars I worked with, definitely benefited from bigger exhaust piping but, most of those cars benefited from already having a bigger engine.

_Bondo_

For boosted cars, exhaust+tune FTW

_Bondo_

So can anybody actually lay claim to the benefits of the Berger intake? Sure they say "7 to 10 horsepower," but from the pictures, it looks like the filter is in a prime position to suck in a whole bunch of hot air.