New C230 test drive...
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New C230 test drive...
My dealer will have this month the new C230 (50591€ base model 
)sedan and coupe for test drive and also one C350 sedan (76853€ base), and I will manage a way for test drive them all 
After that, I will post some driving opinions
)sedan and coupe for test drive and also one C350 sedan (76853€ base), and I will manage a way for test drive them all After that, I will post some driving opinions
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Please give us a review after you have tested the new C230.
Particularly, I am interested to find out from C240 owners view point about the new C230 interms of :-
- suspension comfortness
- low rev torque
- engine noise
I don't care about whether C230K,C240,C230(new) are a fraction of a second faster or not; I am already happy with the figure that the new 230 is 200+ hp and 25kgm torque 2000-4000rpm.
Don't forget to take some photos of the front and rear spoliers / bumpers; as I want to check if they are the 'sports edition' same as here.
Many thanks.
cnt
p.s.
Pity it is unlikely we will have C350 7G coupe here; or else that would be a realy fun car as fun as the SLK350 except it is more roomy. :p
Particularly, I am interested to find out from C240 owners view point about the new C230 interms of :-
- suspension comfortness
- low rev torque
- engine noise
I don't care about whether C230K,C240,C230(new) are a fraction of a second faster or not; I am already happy with the figure that the new 230 is 200+ hp and 25kgm torque 2000-4000rpm.
Don't forget to take some photos of the front and rear spoliers / bumpers; as I want to check if they are the 'sports edition' same as here.
Many thanks.
cnt
p.s.
Pity it is unlikely we will have C350 7G coupe here; or else that would be a realy fun car as fun as the SLK350 except it is more roomy. :p
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c350 with a 7g? that's nice, but how about a c350 coupe with the 6speed from the slk350 :v , now that is fun
We got screwed yet again...
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€50591 for the base model. that equals like $62000
Beside that we also have VAT 19% (next month will be 21%) and if you know something about finances you are seeing a ilegal process here, double taxes, tax aplyed to a value with tax allready, price of car+auto tax+VAT tax
The cheapest new car here cost 8500€ a chevrolet Matiz 5 door 0,796L with 52Hp
Almost 15 years with this Tax and we have the lowest monthly wage in Europe
the car is build in germany ... and costs almost twice as much
I give a call to my dealer today, and he sayed that the cars will arrive next week
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Originally Posted by tommy
Since when was double taxation illegal? 
Happens all of the time...
Happens all of the time...
From what I got out of that statement it is basically they are taxing once, then taxing the already once taxed amount. When technically both taxes should be based off the original selling price. Kind of strange!
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Originally Posted by mctwin2kman
From what I got out of that statement it is basically they are taxing once, then taxing the already once taxed amount. When technically both taxes should be based off the original selling price. Kind of strange!
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From what I got out of that statement it is basically they are taxing once, then taxing the already once taxed amount. When technically both taxes should be based off the original selling price. Kind of strange!
Since when was double taxation illegal?
Happens all of the time...
Happens all of the time...
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What do you think happens when you spend a dollar in the US? It's a dollar that has already been taxed with medicare, social security, federal, etc, and then get's taxed another say 7% sales tax.
Sole proprietorship or limited partnership...income of the company gets taxed and the owner's income gets taxed again. Double taxation is a fact of life.
Sole proprietorship or limited partnership...income of the company gets taxed and the owner's income gets taxed again. Double taxation is a fact of life.
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Sole proprietorship or limited partnership...income of the company gets taxed and the owner's income gets taxed again. Double taxation is a fact of life.
C230 buying price:
29.413,66€ car price
+7.099,34€ auto tax
=36.513€
+6.937€ 19% sale tax
=43.451€ sale price (base model)
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Originally Posted by delbomber
What do you think happens when you spend a dollar in the US? It's a dollar that has already been taxed with medicare, social security, federal, etc, and then get's taxed another say 7% sales tax.
Sole proprietorship or limited partnership...income of the company gets taxed and the owner's income gets taxed again. Double taxation is a fact of life.
Sole proprietorship or limited partnership...income of the company gets taxed and the owner's income gets taxed again. Double taxation is a fact of life.
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Originally Posted by mctwin2kman
School taxes are another area that burns me. My wife and I do not plan to have kids and do not want kids, yet I pay a hefty price a year for my property. Now I am all for paying school taxes in case I do have kids, but it should be scaled by if you have them or not. Not really fair that we have none and pay the same as the family with 4 of them that also get a nice tax credit each year for them as well. We don't get anything basically except screwed and the only way we can make it worth it is to have kids we do not want. And before someone says I went to a public school and all, well my parents sent me to a Catholic school and they paid there school taxes plus the school's tuition. Talk about getting screwed. Anyway that is life I guess and I will deal with it, even if I don't agree.
This thread has well and truly been hijacked - my apologies for that!!
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Originally Posted by vadim
It sure would be!! But - not going to happen on this side of the pond We got screwed yet again...
We got screwed yet again...MBUSA SUCKS!!!
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Originally Posted by gaiex
In my Country (Portugal) we have the expensive cars in Europe because of taxes, the auto taxes are calculated by cc.
Thats Why I went to MB factory in germany to buy my coupe with 1 year and 1 day 15000km 39000€, new here 60000€
I give a call to my dealer today, and he sayed that the cars will arrive next week
Thats Why I went to MB factory in germany to buy my coupe with 1 year and 1 day 15000km 39000€, new here 60000€
I give a call to my dealer today, and he sayed that the cars will arrive next week
The base price of a E320 W211 costs USD 80K here. A fully loaded will be 95K
How much would that cost in Portagual ?
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Originally Posted by mctwin2kman
It is all a big mess and one of the reasons I prefer a flat consumption tax as opposed to Federal Payroll taxes. That way I am only taxed on what I spend and not what I make.
Anyway, maybe you don't call it 'double taxation', and involving different cash flows perhaps technically it is not, but then you're just getting into semantics....
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
I am curious about the price differences of your country and mine.
The base price of a E320 W211 costs USD 80K here. A fully loaded will be 95K
How much would that cost in Portagual ?
cnt
The base price of a E320 W211 costs USD 80K here. A fully loaded will be 95K
How much would that cost in Portagual ?
cnt
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
I am curious about the price differences of your country and mine.
The base price of a E320 W211 costs USD 80K here. A fully loaded will be 95K
How much would that cost in Portagual ?
cnt
The base price of a E320 W211 costs USD 80K here. A fully loaded will be 95K
How much would that cost in Portagual ?
cnt
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I am curious about the price differences of your country and mine.
The base price of a E320 W211 costs USD 80K here. A fully loaded will be 95K
How much would that cost in Portugual ?
The base price of a E320 W211 costs USD 80K here. A fully loaded will be 95K
How much would that cost in Portugual ?
Fully loaded 110000€
You mean including TAX...cuz an E320 can't cost 95k usd. We have to understand that the tax goes to the country and not the dealership. BTW, I was born in HK.
7.099,34€ auto tax
+6.937€ 19% sale tax
=14.036,24€ TOTAL TAXES
LOL...52 HP, my snow blower have more HP than that
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Ahahah...ppl here in the USA just waste too much gas. This is why gas prices went up so high cuz americans just love to drive their V8 300hp SUV down the street to the grocery store just to pickup a newspaper....
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My dealer called me today to say that the c230 and c350 he was especting to receive after all went to other dealer He only received Diesel models, C220CDI, C280CDI and C320CDI this one I want to test drive the performances exected by me of this engine are spectacular (similiar engine in all aspects of my dad Audi 3.0 V6 TDI, same 225HP 500Nm but less cc. 3.2L in the MB)
I expect better than this: 0-100km/h.wmv
reprise in 4th gear.wmv
He only received Diesel models, C220CDI, C280CDI and C320CDI this one I want to test drive the performances exected by me of this engine are spectacular (similiar engine in all aspects of my dad Audi 3.0 V6 TDI, same 225HP 500Nm but less cc. 3.2L in the MB)I expect better than this:
0-100km/h.wmvreprise in 4th gear.wmv
Last edited by gaiex; Jul 1, 2005 at 08:53 PM.
