highway 9 (mountain) driving.... 02 C230K with 05 toyota Celica
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2002 C230 coupe , NOt THE AVATAR!!
highway 9 (mountain) driving.... 02 C230K with 05 toyota Celica
i was driving on highway this thanksgiving weekend with my friend, seem pretty fun at first but on the way i was pretty scare with my C230, we were going 60MPH (35 speed limited post)
when we make turns we slow down to 35-40, tire were screeching, i see my friend making it nice and smooth but for my car i feel it having so much pressure and cut into the oppose lane. Is it my car heavy or my tire PSI too much?? we make all the way up the mountain but it was a dissappointment so we just drive back down right away... picture of driving post soon....
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Originally Posted by Brabus_x2
i was driving on highway this thanksgiving weekend with my friend, seem pretty fun at first but on the way i was pretty scare with my C230, we were going 60MPH (35 speed limited post)
when we make turns we slow down to 35-40, tire were screeching, i see my friend making it nice and smooth but for my car i feel it having so much pressure and cut into the oppose lane. Is it my car heavy or my tire PSI too much?? we make all the way up the mountain but it was a dissappointment so we just drive back down right away... picture of driving post soon....
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2008 BMW 335i Convertible; SOLD*2004.5 C230 Sedan*SOLD
60 MPH on Highway 9!?!?! Are you crazy?!?!?
Take it easy up there... some of those turns are way too tight for that kind of speed!
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Take it easy up there... some of those turns are way too tight for that kind of speed!
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Originally Posted by Brabus_x2
i was driving on highway this thanksgiving weekend with my friend, seem pretty fun at first but on the way i was pretty scare with my C230, we were going 60MPH (35 speed limited post)
when we make turns we slow down to 35-40, tire were screeching, i see my friend making it nice and smooth but for my car i feel it having so much pressure and cut into the oppose lane. Is it my car heavy or my tire PSI too much?? we make all the way up the mountain but it was a dissappointment so we just drive back down right away... picture of driving post soon....
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Take your inexperience and your ill-equipped car to the track if you want to test the limits. My family and friends drive the same roads you do. Grow up before you hurt or kill someone.
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Originally Posted by Brabus_x2
when we make turns we slow down to 35-40, tire were screeching, i see my friend making it nice and smooth but for my car i feel it having so much pressure and cut into the oppose lane. Is it my car heavy or my tire PSI too much
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i never seem to have problems cornering. i have a 2004 so maybe the larger wheels and tire tread have something to do with it. but i can't believe that coupe can't out handle a celica?? of course i agree with those saying your shouldn't be speeding on mtn roads.. but i've notice if i'm coming off an offramp fast, the car pretty much sticks to the road.
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I am in concurrence with the rest of the posts. Learn how to drive your car better. Celica's are crap. No matter what people say about the w203, it's still much better in terms of power and handling than a Celica. I don't care if it's a GT-S or whatever Toyota labels it to hype it up, it's ***. Where am I getting this from? I've driven my cousin's 2004 Celica GT-S and it's one of the crappiest cars I've ever driven. I've "raced" another one from a dig and just destroyed it (although the C230k is pretty damn slow).
Learn how to take turns better.
Learn how to take turns better.
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Originally Posted by nlpamg
I am in concurrence with the rest of the posts. Learn how to drive your car better. Celica's are crap. No matter what people say about the w203, it's still much better in terms of power and handling than a Celica. I don't care if it's a GT-S or whatever Toyota labels it to hype it up, it's ***. Where am I getting this from? I've driven my cousin's 2004 Celica GT-S and it's one of the crappiest cars I've ever driven. I've "raced" another one from a dig and just destroyed it (although the C230k is pretty damn slow).
Learn how to take turns better.
Learn how to take turns better.
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Originally Posted by Kenzmbz
what kind of suspension do you have? Do you have larger wheels? ![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
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Originally Posted by appleguy
60 MPH on Highway 9!?!?! Are you crazy?!?!?
Take it easy up there... some of those turns are way too tight for that kind of speed!
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Take it easy up there... some of those turns are way too tight for that kind of speed!
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Take your inexperience and your ill-equipped car to the track if you want to test the limits. My family and friends drive the same roads you do. Grow up before you hurt or kill someone.
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Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
I would have to say the same buddy. Also, did you consider your driving skill?
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Originally Posted by Brabus_x2
don't expect a 2 months 17 years old boy could do a nice "Inital D" style ![Cool](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif)
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By the time I was 15, I had already won numerous races in at least 3 different go-kart classes. At 18, I held both SCCA and IHRA racing licenses. In the 25 or so years since then, I have participated in at least 1 sanctioned racing or instructional event every year. It isn't very had nor very expensive to acquire the right skills IF you can get your lazy *** off the couch.
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Actually, Celicas, especially those with aftermarket suspension have very good handling. They even post top-notch slalom speeds (as good as some European exotics) with some good springs.
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don't expect a 2 months 17 years old boy could do a nice "Inital D" style ![Cool](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif)
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Should find a better place to practice your " D " style.
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Originally Posted by white_w203
no one mentioned this yet, but what kind of tires do you have. tires make a fat difference as well if they're sticky and grip the road.
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Okay first off if you're going to be doing such driving make sure the PSI is correct in all the tires according to the specs. I think it's 28 front and 32 back, correct me if i'm wrong.
Next your car is a rear wheel drive car, while a celica is a front, you drive them completely different. The c230k has a lot of understeer, it can be to your advantage if you learn to use it correctly. Learn how to take a turn, start from the outside and cut in on the inside and learn how to down****/upshift instead of just stepping in the accelerator and break pedal.
It takes quite sometime to master driving this car correctly especially when you've had no previous experience with other cars.
We all have to admit that we drive these cars pretty hard once in a while. I'm pretty sure there are few people who could resist taking the car through some twisties
. Though most of us have some experience and know the limits of these cars. Also if you do pull such things, make sure you actually know the area before attempting to do this kind of stuff. And if there is EVER other traffic in such places, you shouldn't even consider driving at such speeds because it is just too damn dangerous.
Next your car is a rear wheel drive car, while a celica is a front, you drive them completely different. The c230k has a lot of understeer, it can be to your advantage if you learn to use it correctly. Learn how to take a turn, start from the outside and cut in on the inside and learn how to down****/upshift instead of just stepping in the accelerator and break pedal.
It takes quite sometime to master driving this car correctly especially when you've had no previous experience with other cars.
We all have to admit that we drive these cars pretty hard once in a while. I'm pretty sure there are few people who could resist taking the car through some twisties
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Wow. OK. So it sounds like everyone is on the same page. Excellent.
1. He's 17.
2. He's obviously not very skilled, not yet at least.
3. He has no idea what he's talking about and watches too much Initial D.
Recalling the past I was that kid excluding the mercedes. I drove a Subaru Wrx and 18 was years old. Perfect AWD mountain car. Since then I have learned a great deal about my car and the competition. Back to the topic.
Initial D (yes the cartoon): "It's not the car, it's how you drive it."
To this day I go by this quote. And I think I have mentioned the fact that your tires are irrelevant until you truely have understood the limits of your C230(as said above).
And as others have said throughout this thread you should sign up for some karting classes! Seeing as most go-karts are rear wheel drive the driving you do on the small tracks should do well in training your gas/braking/line-taking skills. This should also help you understand the difference between oversteer and understeer.
Also, the traction control on these cars do not help you become a better driver. It basically lets you gas the vehicle throughout the turn and cuts the fuel when the tires begin to lose traction. All of this just hinders the learning process.
So, don't buy tires until you trashed your stock tires. Use them. They're what you make your mistakes with. Just don't die. And when you purchase new tires try a set of 17" rims. They should help a bit.
A perfect rule of thumb: Doubling the posted speed limit. e.i., 25mph go 50mph....35mph go 70mph :v (yes through the turn, its possible). Brake late. Moderate the gas, then punch it. And remember the water cup from initial D? Your transitions into each turn should be smooth and not abrupt. As to not spill the water of course.
Drive fast and drive safe.
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Just another .02 thread.
1. He's 17.
2. He's obviously not very skilled, not yet at least.
3. He has no idea what he's talking about and watches too much Initial D.
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Recalling the past I was that kid excluding the mercedes. I drove a Subaru Wrx and 18 was years old. Perfect AWD mountain car. Since then I have learned a great deal about my car and the competition. Back to the topic.
Initial D (yes the cartoon): "It's not the car, it's how you drive it."
To this day I go by this quote. And I think I have mentioned the fact that your tires are irrelevant until you truely have understood the limits of your C230(as said above).
And as others have said throughout this thread you should sign up for some karting classes! Seeing as most go-karts are rear wheel drive the driving you do on the small tracks should do well in training your gas/braking/line-taking skills. This should also help you understand the difference between oversteer and understeer.
Also, the traction control on these cars do not help you become a better driver. It basically lets you gas the vehicle throughout the turn and cuts the fuel when the tires begin to lose traction. All of this just hinders the learning process.
So, don't buy tires until you trashed your stock tires. Use them. They're what you make your mistakes with. Just don't die. And when you purchase new tires try a set of 17" rims. They should help a bit.
A perfect rule of thumb: Doubling the posted speed limit. e.i., 25mph go 50mph....35mph go 70mph :v (yes through the turn, its possible). Brake late. Moderate the gas, then punch it. And remember the water cup from initial D? Your transitions into each turn should be smooth and not abrupt. As to not spill the water of course.
Drive fast and drive safe.
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-Jon
Just another .02 thread.
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