gaiex

They don't know what is a 2004.5 model, its we that call that, they ony know the 2004 and 2005!!!!

the 2004.5 is a previous version of the 2005 with some things of the 2004 and some of the 2005, thats why we call them 2004.5, but the delaers only know the 2004 and 2005.

I told you before, the 2005 models are the C cars produced after 6/2004 and yours was before, like my 4/2004SS wagon a 2004.5 model also... capice

TNblkc230wz

If your are spending the money for an upgrade, I would insist on the AMG four piston calipers. The cost can't be that much different. Also the 2004.5 brakes look the same, but they are smaller than AMG 12.8 vs. 13.6

jan ken po

Well you're talking semantics, but I digress with it at that. Regardless of what's on the car IMO, since all my official paperwork says '05, that's what it is.

gaiex

OK, if you believe in that...
I could begin to ask you some things you have in your car for you realize that its not a 2005... I checked the VIN you told me and its not a 2005!!!

How could be a 2005 if the delivery date of your car is 26.04.04!!!

e1000

hey gaiex, why don't you just go on ebay and lookup a 2005 C230 Sport Sedan and there should be VIN numbers on there

gaiex

GOOD IDEA

jan ken po

1st, you need to chill the f*ck out, we are trying to help YOU remember. Secondly, that was the build date. It was not delivered to dealer until July of '04 and purchased by me on the 30th. Build year does not constitute model year. Third, the DEALER says as '05, the sticker invoice says '05, CARFAX reports the VIN # as '05, and if I ever sell it, it will be sold as an '05. So what it has technology/parts from an '04 or hell even '03. Very few cars if any are completely different year-in & year-out all way down to every last screw & bolt used. Manufactuers would go completely out of business if they scrapped parts/technology/features every year. You can cry all you want about your pads, caliper, and what you THINK my car is. It doesn't change that fact it is an '05.

e1000

lol - I woulda done it for you but I can't get to fleabay from work...websensed!!!!!

gaiex

I bougth them used, and suposing they where the 4 piston Brembo non AMG, like my 2004.5 Wagon brakes, the pic was from the 2004.5 but the seller sold me the 2005

Now I don't know if I keep them or sell them... either ways I have to buy the pads and rotors...

Final info:

2004.5 brakes:
calipers
A003 420 22 83 left
A003 420 21 83 rigth
rotors
A203 421 13 12 (12,8")
pads
A004 420 05 20

2005 brakes
calipers
A003 420 36 83
A003 420 39 83
rotors
A203 421 13 12 (12,8")
pads
A004 420 51 20

C32AMG brakes
calipers
A002 420 19 83
A002 420 20 83
rotors
A203 421 09 12 (13,6")
pads
A004 420 05 20

e1000

so the pads are the same for all of them?

gaiex

All the help is welcome, I sayed you that because its the true info, not the info your dealers tell you, your car arrived US in 26.04.04, this date its not the production date, its the first registration date (in MB US maybe) and then sold to your dealer... this date is correct (MB database) what happened next I don't know... so your car was produced one or two months earlier, its not possible to be a 2005, no way.
If you bougth a 2005 car you better check that with your dealer, because its not (could be sold to you as a 2005 and its not).

Differences between 2004, 2004.5 and 2005 where discussed here many times, do a search

Regards

gaiex

No, the 2005 aren't the same

upsssss, I corrected it

e1000

so are you gonna keep them? I say keep them, even a 2-piston caliper with a 12.8" rotor is very large for a car with the dimensions (size, weight, power) of a C230.

drexappeal

And also considering that our cars don't need that much stopping power with the lack of ponies the car has stock.

drho2004

i have a 2005 c230, delivered on 7/24/04. based on the discussion and pics, i have the 2 piston calipers. those AMG calipers look huge! question, how much are those amg calipers, and are they 'drop-in' installation?

gaiex

I'm going to paint them first with AMG silver color and them I will see if I keep them...

gaiex

Exactly what I was telling about, after 6/2004 (production date) all cars are 2005 models... and have the 2 piston brembo brakes

jan ken po

The door jam clearly says in made in Germany 04/04. But I guess M is lying about that as well. Tell you what since you the expert on the differences, save me the time of the searching and list all the differences 'tween the 4.5 & 5. Then you and I will both be able to lay this to rest.

gaiex

You are saying exactly what I sayed, you car is a 2004.5 since production date is 04/04, MB names the models acording the next year, and the year begins at month 6 each year, but the last 2004 models allready have the 2005 facelift, but with some of interior/mechanic parts of the 2004, for example, your brakes and the interior arm rest among others
At MB dealers they name some 2004.5 models as 2005 models but they aren't.

PS: 2004.5 models was us at here that named it.

jan ken po

So lemme get this straight..since my brake caliper is the ONLY difference, then I have 2004.5 (a moniker BTW which MB does not recognize and is only used on THIS board). And because of this caliper being different, 99.5% of the rest of car is to be ignored and henceforth I am to refer to it as 2004.5. Makes PERFECT sense.

drexappeal

Well, if you've got all the upgrades that other 2005's got (i.e. AMG body kit, suspension, interior refresh), your car is still a 2005. If you don't have all of those refresh items, 2004.5 would be more appropriate for people on these boards to understand what you'll need, etc...

There are a lot of little differences between the 2004.5 vs. 2005-present models. The most important part is in reference to the internals/computerized parts (i.e. SAM module, MOST vs. D2B, blue vs. orange cluster, etc, etc...). Hope that explains it a little more detailed.

jan ken po

I have ALL of the same features that any 2005 has, which is what I have been trying to tell this clown. The only thing I discovered may be different than any others I've seen is this caliper. And just learned that as result of this thread.

e1000

lol - both of you guys are wayyy too worked up over this

drexappeal

jan ken po, you are a lucky person! That's awesome. You got the best of both worlds (except for the free service).

Even though you do have a 2005, just pay attention to the 2004.5 posts (when regarding brakes). Other than that, you're good to go referring to your car as a 2005.

jan ken po

Naw, ain't worked up. Just thought it was trip. He was asking for help, and then when someone tries to provide it, he starts coming at me with a funky lil attitude trying to tell me what I did not have.

See just when I was all copacetic...you go an play the "no free service" card again.