Need help deperately...tires are rubbing TEIN's with 19" MRR's
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Need help deperately...tires are rubbing TEIN's with 19" MRR's
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TEIN Basic CO's
MRR GT1's 19x8.5 et35 front
General 235/35-19
I just finished installing the coilovers, put on the new tires and wheels, and the inside of the tire is hitting the bottom coil spring. In fact, the wheel won't even seat up against the brake hub, there is about a .050" gap because the tire is hitting the spring. Just for kicks, I put back on the 17" OEM 5 spokers and they clear...sort of....but not enough to make me feel comfortable driving.
I know there are guys running these rims on this car with no problems, so what gives? Are the coilovers installed wrong?
This pic shows the mark on the bottom of the spring where the tire was hitting.
On this pic, is the strut supposed to be about .25" off center?
And finally, is there supposed to be a gap between the strut hold down clamp and the tower?
Any help is appreciated.
TEIN Basic CO's
MRR GT1's 19x8.5 et35 front
General 235/35-19
I just finished installing the coilovers, put on the new tires and wheels, and the inside of the tire is hitting the bottom coil spring. In fact, the wheel won't even seat up against the brake hub, there is about a .050" gap because the tire is hitting the spring. Just for kicks, I put back on the 17" OEM 5 spokers and they clear...sort of....but not enough to make me feel comfortable driving.
I know there are guys running these rims on this car with no problems, so what gives? Are the coilovers installed wrong?
This pic shows the mark on the bottom of the spring where the tire was hitting.
On this pic, is the strut supposed to be about .25" off center?
And finally, is there supposed to be a gap between the strut hold down clamp and the tower?
Any help is appreciated.
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sounds like your wheels are suspect to me. if the wheel is wider, would you have to alter your offset to compensate? your stock wheel may come close, but it's not going to get any closer to the spring because the whole assembly moves together.
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Either get a custom hubcentric spacers to the wheels you have or simply raise the coilover. A stock 17" Mercedes wheels won't clear the Tein CO if it's at the lowest setting, i know cause i've tried it. I'm about an inch from the lowest setting cause of CO clearance issue.
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Thanks guys, but I still don't understand. I can raise the coilover to where it clears, but its so high that what's the use of having them? That's not an option.
The other thing is that its hitting the coilover significantly....like around 0.500" gap between the wheel and the rotor face. So my fear is that even with a 12-15mm spacer, it will just barly clear....or it might not.
I can't believe this is happening. I spent 2 months reading through hundreds of pages on this forum and there are a ton of guys running et30 and et32 with TEIN's with 235's with the car slammed and no problems.
The wheels clear the brakes, so that isn't a problem. i did my homework there.
what else can i do? switch to a 225 series tire combined with a 10mm spacer maybe?
The other thing is that its hitting the coilover significantly....like around 0.500" gap between the wheel and the rotor face. So my fear is that even with a 12-15mm spacer, it will just barly clear....or it might not.
I can't believe this is happening. I spent 2 months reading through hundreds of pages on this forum and there are a ton of guys running et30 and et32 with TEIN's with 235's with the car slammed and no problems.
The wheels clear the brakes, so that isn't a problem. i did my homework there.
what else can i do? switch to a 225 series tire combined with a 10mm spacer maybe?
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I dont believe a 5mm spacer will do the trick. I honestly havent seen anyone who runs more than et 28 up front unless its a wheel that is less than 8.5" wide or they arent using coilovers.
Realistically, you should have an offset of 27 or 28 to clear coilovers and you have an offset of ET 35 up front and you also have 235 wide General wheels.
Your tires probably dont have rounded side walls and its generally difficult to run tires wider than 225 w/o rounded side walls. You could find tires w/ rounded side walls (Im not quiet sure which ones, I think Toyo t1rs are rounded though) to help the situation if you want to keep the 235 up front, but you are going to have to lower your offset at least by 7 mm (IMO). Id go 8 if that was an option :x
I think there are plenty of people who use these same wheels and with tein basics. Either you havent read or you missed ALOT of their posts about what they used to make their setups work. The aftermarket wheel thread has nearly every combo of suspension + wheel size/width imaginable and some details if they rub or not.
Realistically, you should have an offset of 27 or 28 to clear coilovers and you have an offset of ET 35 up front and you also have 235 wide General wheels.
Your tires probably dont have rounded side walls and its generally difficult to run tires wider than 225 w/o rounded side walls. You could find tires w/ rounded side walls (Im not quiet sure which ones, I think Toyo t1rs are rounded though) to help the situation if you want to keep the 235 up front, but you are going to have to lower your offset at least by 7 mm (IMO). Id go 8 if that was an option :x
I think there are plenty of people who use these same wheels and with tein basics. Either you havent read or you missed ALOT of their posts about what they used to make their setups work. The aftermarket wheel thread has nearly every combo of suspension + wheel size/width imaginable and some details if they rub or not.
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I dont believe a 5mm spacer will do the trick. I honestly havent seen anyone who runs more than et 28 up front unless its a wheel that is less than 8.5" wide or they arent using coilovers.
Realistically, you should have an offset of 27 or 28 to clear coilovers and you have an offset of ET 35 up front and you also have 235 wide General wheels.
Your tires probably dont have rounded side walls and its generally difficult to run tires wider than 225 w/o rounded side walls. You could find tires w/ rounded side walls (Im not quiet sure which ones, I think Toyo t1rs are rounded though) to help the situation if you want to keep the 235 up front, but you are going to have to lower your offset at least by 7 mm (IMO). Id go 8 if that was an option :x
I think there are plenty of people who use these same wheels and with tein basics. Either you havent read or you missed ALOT of their posts about what they used to make their setups work. The aftermarket wheel thread has nearly every combo of suspension + wheel size/width imaginable and some details if they rub or not.
Realistically, you should have an offset of 27 or 28 to clear coilovers and you have an offset of ET 35 up front and you also have 235 wide General wheels.
Your tires probably dont have rounded side walls and its generally difficult to run tires wider than 225 w/o rounded side walls. You could find tires w/ rounded side walls (Im not quiet sure which ones, I think Toyo t1rs are rounded though) to help the situation if you want to keep the 235 up front, but you are going to have to lower your offset at least by 7 mm (IMO). Id go 8 if that was an option :x
I think there are plenty of people who use these same wheels and with tein basics. Either you havent read or you missed ALOT of their posts about what they used to make their setups work. The aftermarket wheel thread has nearly every combo of suspension + wheel size/width imaginable and some details if they rub or not.
So:
1) should I go 8mm or 10mm spacer and keep the 235's or
2) should I go 225's (sell the brand new 235's) and get a 5mm spacer?
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I think you should go w/ an 8mm spacer + 225 up front OR 235 with tires that have rounded side walls. (I think 235 + rounded side walls are the best, in terms of proper tire sizing)
Don't do the 10mm spacer. Lowering your offset excessively will result in excessive rubbing of your plastic linings within your wheel well when you turn from lock to lock.
Don't do the 10mm spacer. Lowering your offset excessively will result in excessive rubbing of your plastic linings within your wheel well when you turn from lock to lock.
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Okay, I'll check on the spacers from where I bought the wheels...unless you have a recommendation on where to buy???
Going to a rounded 235 in the front, like T1R's would require new rears as well....its bad enough i'm going to lose money on the fronts when i sell and switch to 225's, so changing all four tires isn't an option.
I think I'll go 8mm with the 235's and see what happens, if it clears, see if i'm comfortable with the height. if there's still an interference, i'll switch to 225's. any other advice?
Going to a rounded 235 in the front, like T1R's would require new rears as well....its bad enough i'm going to lose money on the fronts when i sell and switch to 225's, so changing all four tires isn't an option.
I think I'll go 8mm with the 235's and see what happens, if it clears, see if i'm comfortable with the height. if there's still an interference, i'll switch to 225's. any other advice?
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Go back to the wheel thread and look at the amount of people that listed their set-up with Tein's and for offset they said
Its ridiculous that people don't know thier offset. Let's take one of your posts for example. This is what you listed:Brand: HRE
Style: 441R
Color: silver face, polished lip
Size: 18x8.5 18x9.5
Offset: not sure, but they clear the AMG brakes by a sliver and there's plenty of clearance to drop my c/o's more!
Tire: Pirelli P-Zero M+S 225/40/18 & 255/35/18
Suspension: TEIN Basic coilovers
Now, you tell me how reading what you wrote there i'm supposed to extract that an et35 won't fit...yet everyone says "search"
I've read the first 10 pages in detail just tonight...again...and I saw a guy running et35 with a 16mm spacer and his fronts do not stick out, yet I read where Frank W said that anything under 24 you will stick out. I also read that 27-28 is ideal with Tein's, yet there are guys here running 30 or 32 with thier cars very low with no rubbing.
I'm just trying to get some help here...there's too many conflicting stories with these set-ups....and what works for one guy doesn't work for another.
All I'm trying to figure out now is what spacers I should get, 8mm or 10mm (8's will be custom) and should I switch to 225's from 235's? It really shouldn't be this hard.
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lol...rounded sidewalls aren't an option becuase I'm not spending another $800 on 4 tires and selling mine for a $200 loss. pick another option
btw...no standard 8mm adapter exists. there is a site called wheeladapter.com where they make any size you want...maybe that's what you were referring to earlier...
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Go back to the wheel thread and look at the amount of people that listed their set-up with Tein's and for offset they said Its ridiculous that people don't know thier offset. Let's take one of your posts for example. This is what you listed:
Brand: HRE
Style: 441R
Color: silver face, polished lip
Size: 18x8.5 18x9.5
Offset: not sure, but they clear the AMG brakes by a sliver and there's plenty of clearance to drop my c/o's more!
Tire: Pirelli P-Zero M+S 225/40/18 & 255/35/18
Suspension: TEIN Basic coilovers
Now, you tell me how reading what you wrote there i'm supposed to extract that an et35 won't fit...yet everyone says "search"
I've read the first 10 pages in detail just tonight...again...and I saw a guy running et35 with a 16mm spacer and his fronts do not stick out, yet I read where Frank W said that anything under 24 you will stick out. I also read that 27-28 is ideal with Tein's, yet there are guys here running 30 or 32 with thier cars very low with no rubbing.
I'm just trying to get some help here...there's too many conflicting stories with these set-ups....and what works for one guy doesn't work for another.
All I'm trying to figure out now is what spacers I should get, 8mm or 10mm (8's will be custom) and should I switch to 225's from 235's? It really shouldn't be this hard.
Its ridiculous that people don't know thier offset. Let's take one of your posts for example. This is what you listed:Brand: HRE
Style: 441R
Color: silver face, polished lip
Size: 18x8.5 18x9.5
Offset: not sure, but they clear the AMG brakes by a sliver and there's plenty of clearance to drop my c/o's more!
Tire: Pirelli P-Zero M+S 225/40/18 & 255/35/18
Suspension: TEIN Basic coilovers
Now, you tell me how reading what you wrote there i'm supposed to extract that an et35 won't fit...yet everyone says "search"
I've read the first 10 pages in detail just tonight...again...and I saw a guy running et35 with a 16mm spacer and his fronts do not stick out, yet I read where Frank W said that anything under 24 you will stick out. I also read that 27-28 is ideal with Tein's, yet there are guys here running 30 or 32 with thier cars very low with no rubbing.
I'm just trying to get some help here...there's too many conflicting stories with these set-ups....and what works for one guy doesn't work for another.
All I'm trying to figure out now is what spacers I should get, 8mm or 10mm (8's will be custom) and should I switch to 225's from 235's? It really shouldn't be this hard.
BUT Blake isnt at fault, HRE's do not put offsets on wheels as they are custom made.
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lol...rounded sidewalls aren't an option becuase I'm not spending another $800 on 4 tires and selling mine for a $200 loss. pick another option
btw...no standard 8mm adapter exists. there is a site called wheeladapter.com where they make any size you want...maybe that's what you were referring to earlier...
btw...no standard 8mm adapter exists. there is a site called wheeladapter.com where they make any size you want...maybe that's what you were referring to earlier...
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ok, I just saw your pictures.
like I suspected you have the front coilover WAY too low. the perch sitting all the way on the bottom means the front tires are tucking inside the fender. take a picture of it with the wheels on. I'm pretty sure i'm right.
with my ride height (see my sig) i'm on the 9th turn from the bottom up. your pic shows at 1st or 2nd turn. that's at least 10mm lower than mine. it just won't work. you need to raise it up. I'm on the 18" wheels with 225/40 which makes the gap bigger since the tire diameter is slightly smaller than the 235/35.
like I suspected you have the front coilover WAY too low. the perch sitting all the way on the bottom means the front tires are tucking inside the fender. take a picture of it with the wheels on. I'm pretty sure i'm right.
with my ride height (see my sig) i'm on the 9th turn from the bottom up. your pic shows at 1st or 2nd turn. that's at least 10mm lower than mine. it just won't work. you need to raise it up. I'm on the 18" wheels with 225/40 which makes the gap bigger since the tire diameter is slightly smaller than the 235/35.
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Yeah exactly what Ling said. Never heard of an 8mm spacer, and if there is one, it's probably rare. I have an offset of 35 on my rims and I have a 5mm spacer and it clears. If you feel like 5mm isn't enough, get a 10mm. They're about $100 at the most.
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Yet you chose to ignore it. Bringing up a post of mine, or anyone with custom wheels for that matter, where offset was not listed means the wheels were probably specifically made to fit coilover suspension. Get some spacers and quit your crying.
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Even with a 35et offset and Toyo tires I also had a very slight rubbing issue. The solution to my problem was very easy. As the spring tapers down from large to small it's the physical end point that will give you the most clearance. So just by rotating my spring so that the end point was perpendicular to the tire created a "sweet spot" that ended my problem.
Good luck...
Good luck...
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No...I admit that I was in error and that i just found the 27-28mm suggested fit for coilovers AFTER my stuff was ordered, but didn't want to jump the gun until i installed it. i was more concerned about brakes than anything else...since there are far more problems with brake clearance than there are with coilover clearance.
i'm kinda surprised at you actually...i've read hundreds of posts by you and see how highly regarded you are on this forum, and provide very informative and knowledgeable information. yet on my post, you chose to offer two comments that were both sarcastic and non-informative. thanks for the attitude and all your help.
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No...I admit that I was in error and that i just found the 27-28mm suggested fit for coilovers AFTER my stuff was ordered, but didn't want to jump the gun until i installed it. i was more concerned about brakes than anything else...since there are far more problems with brake clearance than there are with coilover clearance.
i'm kinda surprised at you actually...i've read hundreds of posts by you and see how highly regarded you are on this forum, and provide very informative and knowledgeable information. yet on my post, you chose to offer two comments that were both sarcastic and non-informative. thanks for the attitude and all your help.
i'm kinda surprised at you actually...i've read hundreds of posts by you and see how highly regarded you are on this forum, and provide very informative and knowledgeable information. yet on my post, you chose to offer two comments that were both sarcastic and non-informative. thanks for the attitude and all your help.
