curious...would the C230coupe (I guess 2.3L '02) have been more beneficial if it had
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curious...would the C230coupe (I guess 2.3L '02) have been more beneficial if it had
curious...would the C230coupe (I guess 2.3L '02) have been more beneficial if it had 5spd manual then 6spd? I mean 6spd sound freakin cool but is that excessive for the kinda power/engine it has? I know 6spd would probably gain more high end (top speed?) but would a 5spd give you better 0-60 or 1/4mi times? Thanks for any input.
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i think that its more for a fuel milage reason. Performance wise the auto and the manny are very close in times. But the manny gets better highway milage
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The 2.3L motor has such a broad power (torque) band that a 5-speed probably would have been sufficient. I imagine that the 6-speed is more useful in the "peakier" power bands of the C240 and 1.8L C230Ks, as it's easier to select a gear that keeps the car in the middle of the power band. My guess is that this 6-speed is used in most of the manual MBs for this reason and that its just a cost savings measure that it ended up in the 2.3 L C230K.
If redline in second gear was above 60 mph that would shave a couple of 10ths off of the 0-60 speed (instead of having to do a 2nd-3rd shift at 54 mph). Quarter mile might be less too - depending on where the shift points are.
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If redline in second gear was above 60 mph that would shave a couple of 10ths off of the 0-60 speed (instead of having to do a 2nd-3rd shift at 54 mph). Quarter mile might be less too - depending on where the shift points are.
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my 2psi worth:
auto vs manny
the mileage not neccesarily very different. while the auto tranny absorbs more horsepower but its very smart in using the lowest gear you always find yourself cruising around streets at below 2000 rpm while in manny you are too lazy to shift to highest gear to save gas you just remain on 3rd or 4th while you could have use 5th or even 6th gear in around the city
5sp vs 6sp
on paper 5 sp might be better coz on the 6sp, 2nd gear only goes up to about 52mph then you have to shift to 3rd to get 0-60 times where you probably lose what half a sec or 1/4 sec there so 0-60 time suffer. if you compare 0-50 time the c230k is very competitve while 0-60 time might seem slow. It's not a surprise if the coupe had the 5sp it could go 0-60 under 7sec easily.
on 1/4 mile you might lose some time if you had to shift for extra gear depends what is your trap speed i think stock coupe can go about 85-90mph trap
auto vs manny
the mileage not neccesarily very different. while the auto tranny absorbs more horsepower but its very smart in using the lowest gear you always find yourself cruising around streets at below 2000 rpm while in manny you are too lazy to shift to highest gear to save gas you just remain on 3rd or 4th while you could have use 5th or even 6th gear in around the city
5sp vs 6sp
on paper 5 sp might be better coz on the 6sp, 2nd gear only goes up to about 52mph then you have to shift to 3rd to get 0-60 times where you probably lose what half a sec or 1/4 sec there so 0-60 time suffer. if you compare 0-50 time the c230k is very competitve while 0-60 time might seem slow. It's not a surprise if the coupe had the 5sp it could go 0-60 under 7sec easily.
on 1/4 mile you might lose some time if you had to shift for extra gear depends what is your trap speed i think stock coupe can go about 85-90mph trap
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MB didn't build this transmission so that the car could get the fastest 0-60 time. A 5-spd probably wouldn't have gearing much different because 5th and 6th are already so close together.
One reason is marketing. For some reason, people think that they are getting more by getting 6 gears instead of 5. I see some people amazed that it is a 6-spd, like it must be something special since it has 6 gears. I don't know if this is enough for someone to base their purchase on, but it can't hurt.
One reason is marketing. For some reason, people think that they are getting more by getting 6 gears instead of 5. I see some people amazed that it is a 6-spd, like it must be something special since it has 6 gears. I don't know if this is enough for someone to base their purchase on, but it can't hurt.
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if they really wanted to go all the way with the 6sp they could place the gear ratio in such the way that it will produce better 0-60 times say 6.9sec 0-60 14.99 1/4 mile time.
IMHO the coupe doesnt come alive until like 4th gear and up where it really shines
IMHO the coupe doesnt come alive until like 4th gear and up where it really shines
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IMHO the coupe doesnt come alive until like 4th gear and up where it really shines
IMHO the coupe doesnt come alive until like 4th gear and up where it really shines
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Originally posted by gab
if they really wanted to go all the way with the 6sp they could place the gear ratio in such the way that it will produce better 0-60 times say 6.9sec 0-60 14.99 1/4 mile time.
if they really wanted to go all the way with the 6sp they could place the gear ratio in such the way that it will produce better 0-60 times say 6.9sec 0-60 14.99 1/4 mile time.
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Originally posted by gab
if they really wanted to go all the way with the 6sp they could place the gear ratio in such the way that it will produce better 0-60 times say 6.9sec 0-60 14.99 1/4 mile time.
if they really wanted to go all the way with the 6sp they could place the gear ratio in such the way that it will produce better 0-60 times say 6.9sec 0-60 14.99 1/4 mile time.
One reason is marketing. For some reason, people think that they are getting more by getting 6 gears instead of 5. I see some people amazed that it is a 6-spd, like it must be something special since it has 6 gears. I don't know if this is enough for someone to base their purchase on, but it can't hurt.
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I think a taller rear gear would help since 1st is so low. It is a lot easier to change the rear axle ratio than the transmission ratios. Then you might be able to hit 60 in 2nd.
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Originally posted by speedfrk
I think a taller rear gear would help since 1st is so low. It is a lot easier to change the rear axle ratio than the transmission ratios. Then you might be able to hit 60 in 2nd.
I think a taller rear gear would help since 1st is so low. It is a lot easier to change the rear axle ratio than the transmission ratios. Then you might be able to hit 60 in 2nd.
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Another possibility...
Remember, this is a German car, built primarilly (first) for sale in Europe and Germany. Perhaps it has 6-speeds to make it more flexible on the high speed Autobahns, Autostrada (Italy) etc.
I don't know if the ratios are the same in Germany as they are in the US, but I would think a sixth gear in Germany stresses the car less while running 20-30 min stints above 100 mph.
Here in the states, I agree that a 6-spd is needed for Marketing reasons. F1 cars have 7 spds. It won't be long...
Remember, this is a German car, built primarilly (first) for sale in Europe and Germany. Perhaps it has 6-speeds to make it more flexible on the high speed Autobahns, Autostrada (Italy) etc.
I don't know if the ratios are the same in Germany as they are in the US, but I would think a sixth gear in Germany stresses the car less while running 20-30 min stints above 100 mph.
Here in the states, I agree that a 6-spd is needed for Marketing reasons. F1 cars have 7 spds. It won't be long...
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Here in the states, I agree that a 6-spd is needed for Marketing reasons. F1 cars have 7 spds. It won't be long...
Here in the states, I agree that a 6-spd is needed for Marketing reasons. F1 cars have 7 spds. It won't be long...
Here's a link everyone should read: http://www.howstuffworks.com/transmission1.htm
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The performance for 0-60 or 1/4 mile has nothing to do with whether it has 5 gears or 6. Its all about the ratios.
The performance for 0-60 or 1/4 mile has nothing to do with whether it has 5 gears or 6. Its all about the ratios.
Anyone know if the ratios are the same as the 240? If so, its probably that low so the underpowered 240 can move along better out of the hole.
1 (4.46), 2 (2.61), 3 (1.72), 4 (1.25), 5 (1.00), 6 (0.84)
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Usually they add more gears to keep the ratios close for performance driving. The 2.3K engine has such a broad torque curve, that it doesn't really need 6 gears, but the 1.8 probably can use the extra gear. The peakier the torque curve, the more gears you need to keep the engine in the fat part of the torque band. The 6sp is probably way more useful on the less powerful European models that are not imported to the US and Canada.
