e24kgold

Thanks timmynabenz, finally someone else that thinks Matt is a self righteous douche. Timmy check out my response to Matt's garbage on the OIL FYI post.

Dingleberry

wow, thank you for you verifying your credentials to use. i can now see that you are extremely knowledgeable.

LILBENZ230

I got the chance to race the C230K against the 135i once a few months ago. Due to what had to be a bad start and possibly driver error in the 135i, the C230K got the jump and held onto it until 50mph. To hell with the automotive press or anything, this proves that the C230K is in fact faster than the 135i. Facts! Who needs them?

Again, I see little shame in generally being uninformed. The forum is here to help people learn about the W203 - it's a collective experience and effort. That is why I correct people who spew misinformation. Those people who, instead of learning about the cars, pretend that they know better than even Mercedes and then become indignant when someone corrects them.

The one where you refuse to go further because of post counts? Yeah.. that was something. You should look back at your drivers-training post, then this comment here, and then consult Websters on the definition of hypocrisy. Keep up the personal insults.

malahhaor

why do people always get personal and offensive in these posts? to each their own. The only way the guy should buy the car is test driving each. Because in a place like this there will be a million of opinions and no one will say that the other guy is right. Because in their own head they always know the best.
So stop name calling and keep it civil.

timmynabenz

I see where your coming from, but you did one race and obviously the 135 got a bad start, like i said i raced 3 different Kompressors and not just one run each. I didnt demolish them but by 65 i deifnitely had a solid lead.

I do agree that this is a collective experience and effort in generally informing people about these wonderful cars, that being said, we should want people to have a good experience, so next time you correct somebody do it on somebody who needs correction and is actually putting out completely false or ridiculous statements, not somebody who you just dont agree with.

Now, I have provided evidence backing all my arguments all you do is

I can tell from looking at some of your different posts that you like to just keep arguing and causing drama, so now that I've said my peace, your welcome to argue more, but just know I will no longer reply to you on this, and I stand by what i say!

Btw, good idea changing your sig!

Edit: That actually is a really cool shot of your car!

timmynabenz

Thank you very much, I appreciate that!

LILBENZ230

You obviously missed the sarcasm in the post about your credentials. You have your experiences, but those may or may not agree with the facts. The fact is that the supercharged cars are quicker than the small V6 ones. This is established in standardized testing. Real world results may vary. But your experience doesn't change this, so I was justified in making that correction.

/debate - and don't think you had anything to do with my signature change. I change it weekly, and it's meant to be offensive at times. My feelings are the same.

samaritrey

you do change it every week lol

Glyn M Ruck

Children behave

FrankW

neither 230k or 230 is faster than one another. they're all limited to the same speed!!!!...

with that said...i've drove both many times. i like the 271 after it starts to boost, but at the end of the day the 272 is ultimately smoother granted the 7G has garbage gearing in the 230. 280 or the 350 would be much better.

LILBENZ230

Agreed. The 280 is a fine choice - with the 4Matic it will hang onto the 5-spd auto, too. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels the 7G with the small V6 is a terrible combination.

bdgdl08

No, agree as well. I would love to have the 6 speed much more, actually, or a 350. But I got my car for free, so I'm not complaining.

What I'm not understanding at this point:
Timmy was corrected by Matt - Other members, including Glyn, backed up Matt - Matt get's called an arrogant douche
He's not the only one refuting you, and he's correct.

timmynabenz

+1 I have heard nothing but good remarks about the engines in C280 4-matic from a couple different members, and of course the C350 is

SickSpeedMonte

I can't believe that I can't find a picture of it, but there are 4wd race cars that can hydroplane across an entire pond, and the only reason they can do it is BECAUSE of the 4WD. They look like baja cars, or hill climb cars.

LILBENZ230

Drew, go drive Nick's car and report back.. that's your assignment. The beach photo of my car is my favorite shot of it. Too bad it's taken with a camera phone.

SickSpeed - I've seen this too.

bdgdl08

I actually had a dream about it last night! I can't wait for the next Florida meet.

Norwichdelta06

very true! keep in mind guys!! u steer with the front and stabilize with the back! So yes you can say u hydroplan in the front because unless ur driving backwards ur car usually drives forward. I think a lot of ppl are getting confused about hydroplanning and loosing control?? Simple definition of hydroplanning is where any tire or tires are do not make any contact with the ground below due the tires not being able to force the water out from underneanth them. Loosing control well u don't need a definitely from that. But most people should realize that the faster you go the more time it takes to get the water out from underneath ur tires and if ur going to head towards a puddle best way is to let off the gas and let the car just glide thourgh it.

Johnsct

Cars start to hydroplane from the front wheels first. You then loose steering control. AWD or not does not change this.

Glyn M Ruck

Let's get a few things straight here. If you are travelling too fast nothing will help you in a hydroplaning situation. If your skid is borderline with some breakthrough of the water wedge/layer you need to get off the brakes to regain some steering & control. You will never achieve this with brakes applied.

There are certain borderline situations where applying a controlled amount of power will cause the tyres to break through the water layer & achieve some grip & here a 4WD can help because you can apply power to all wheels. The trouble is that this is totally counter intuitive & most drivers will mess it up. Even experienced drivers.

The best thing to do is to train yourself to stay off the brakes & try and gently steer yourself out of trouble as the car slows down.

If you have partial adhesion. Stab the brakes in a straight line only to try and retard speed & then lift off brakes when you wish to steer or it will all go **** up!

timmynabenz

this is what i was referring too as well

LILBENZ230

No it isn't.

From your 1st post:

This is incorrect information that has nothing to do with what you quoted from Glyn. The chances of hydroplaning in a 4Matic are equal, what you said is incorrect. It's okay to be wrong - learning new things is good. But Glyn's post had to do with recovering a car that was hydroplaning, and that tip was something even experienced drivers have a problem with. I believe it was you that showed up to a meet in dad's car? That doesn't speak of someone with much driving experience. Maybe you stayed in a Holiday Inn last night or something. I forgot that you have that "I have experienced it, thus it is absolute fact" attitude.

Dingleberry

LILBENZ230

He really thought you were serious about the "wow thank you for verifying your credentials" post. That's soooo funny. I hate to get into this type of stuff on the forum, but I hate it when people post blatant misinformation and parade it as fact more. People are constantly searching and reading on here (I used to be one) and nothing irritated me more than thinking I had an answer to something only to later find out it was not correct.

To add insult to injury to attempt to back up an argument with what is essentially a "You see, what had happened was.." type of story while totally dismissing established facts, saying "Maybe in your world.." - correct. My world. The REAL one.

TemjinX2

eh...just let it drop guys. There's been enough flaming lately on the forums.

e24kgold

I have to agree with Matt. I really cant believe this topic was discussed at such length. Anyone with some driving experience wouldn't have even brought this up to begin with.