W203E35

Talked to a guy who works with Forced Induction and he said there is no such thing as a Kleemann Kompressor for the m272. He told me all this info that I was given was incorrect. My only option is ECU, Headers and Camshaft from Kleemann and not a blower. Which now my FI dreams went down the drain.

Won't the aggressive camshafts up my compression? How much do sport camshafts usually add to the stock compression?

Milkm4n

Don't mean to thread jack but would you see gains if u were to install a turbo (rear mount) have it set to 2 psi and just route the pipe to your stock air box? no tune just turbo and waste gate.

W203E35

I think so, very minimal I would assume. Maybe like a 20hp gain.

SETSEROCK

I think a surge tank would be a good idea too and dual Bosch MS 044's feeding some 1600cc injectors!!!!

Seriously though, OP you need to spend a LOT MORE TIME researching before you even think about this. I dont mean to come off sounding rude, but the wording of the first post in the thread tells me that your are in no position to even let someone sell you ANY kind of kit.

Read all you can on basic FI theory and application in general first, and then look into know setups for your specific application.


I have years of experience with FI systems, and i can tell you that you need to read until your eyes hurt.

I didnt read too much of this thread, but feel free to hit me up with any questions you may have

SETSEROCK

What turbo? how many lbs/min does it flow? what is its pressure ratio? what compressor map? what trim? what A/R? Basically, 2PSI is an arbitrary number. 2 PSI on a GT4088R may actually net you a little something. 2 PSI on a GT12 would become such a restriction in airflow that the motor would choke....

There is a difference between volume and flow.

And no tune?

a typical NA motor runs up to 35 *s of ignition timing advance (a function controlled by the ECU), a typical turbo tune on 91 octane would be around 15 *s BTDC ignition advance. AFR and ignition timing maps look TOTALLY different between NA and FI cars....


And the ammount of cash to run a turbo on a car that comes NA is VERY expensive. all that money and countless hours of installing HW just to run a measly 2 PSI would be a complete waste of time/money. No one would even consider doing such a thing....

SETSEROCK

Compression is basically a function of the height of the piston and the shape/size of the combustion chamber. is describes the amount of pressure that is created when the air/fuel mixture is, well, compressed.

More aggressive cams alter the length/duration, lift, and overlap of the intake and exhaust valves, extending the valve opening/closing events and letting more air and fuel enter the combustion chamber, which have nothing to do with compression ratio.

You should hit up How Stuff Works and read all you can in the engine section. its very general stuff. but without a basic understanding of the way a motor functions, then you wont really know the right questions to ask....

W203E35

Not at all my friend. You are very wise and seem to have a lot of knowledge to any input is greatly appreciated. I read your other posts and you cleared a lot of questions that I had.

Thanks for your contribution to this thread

SETSEROCK

KARO, your car is very nice!!! i never knew they made a 350 for the W203...

W203E35

Thanks, to be honest with you I didn't eighter. I saw it, went down, test drove it, fell in love and bought it.

nrg_mike

I remember seeing them at first and thinking that the owner was lame and just changed the badging. Then I saw another one and confused it for an E. Then I finally looked it up and accepted it lol.

W203E35

Mike, I'm not saying this because you said the same to me but once I saw a C320 Sport and thought the owner put it on.

Then when I first met you I wash shocked to see there really is a C320 Sport. I think the first time we met we were both shocked . Remember I even said how rare your car is?

nrg_mike

Lol yah, I didn't realize how uncommon it was. LOL. At least I didn't remove the 0 in 320. lol

OneOfaKindTrini

Turbos are more efficient and superchargers, especially screw-type are known to rob power from the motor when not making boost because it spins off the crank. Superchargers have a more linear powerband while turbos just come in. Look into twin scroll Turbochargers.

W203E35

Thanks Trini but the turbo is out of the question right now. I rather spend that money on suspension..yipeee

OneOfaKindTrini

I totally feel you, but what brand of Coilovers you going with? KW?

W203E35

I don't know I want something good. I need I might need to change the busing or something because my car handles like crap. Better tires, better sways...just go all out.

OneOfaKindTrini

From what I know as of June 2010 the best coilovers right now are the KW V3 and KW Clubsport.. Also Tien Coilovers possibly w/ the EDFC Control unit work well.

OneOfaKindTrini

And maybe from Eibach sway bars, probably looking into some different bushings. As far as material.

TemjinX2

do a c55 swap.

W203E35

At that price I rather buy one or just do a E55 swap

TemjinX2

c55 swap as in trade in your car for 20k and buy this c55 for 24k. So your c55 swap would cost u 4k over 5yrs is $80 more a month.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false

OneOfaKindTrini

Buy a C55.. Or Wait maybe a C63!! Or maybe a M5! E60. V-10=BEAST!

W203E35

I want a GT-R. When business gets better that's my next car.

OneOfaKindTrini

Not to be putting my life story up here, but in a few years when I get out of school I plan to go back to trinidad(where i'm from) and build a EVO down there.. Just letting you know, theres no such things as emissions down there so 42r running out the bumper is the way to go. Perhaps even a shop.. Wide Open Throttle Motorsports(WOTM) is the dream.

W203E35

The turbo can be done on the m272 but the power I don't think is going to be worth it. If this car wasn't my daily driver I would have done it but I can't mess with my daily driver and especially with the lack of income right now.

I would like to see a turbo done on the C32. That has much better internals (since it's built for forced induction) especially since it's running 1 full bar and people are still upping the boost