Help out an idiot with control arms.
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Help out an idiot with control arms.
I need some help.
I'm changing my lower and upper control arm bushings, but I can see it's going to be a real pain trying to press them while still attached to the car.
My question is, do the control arms just come off with a bolt at the hub, or is there a ball joint in there that will require more work, and I'm assuming a new replacement ball joint?
I'm changing my lower and upper control arm bushings, but I can see it's going to be a real pain trying to press them while still attached to the car.
My question is, do the control arms just come off with a bolt at the hub, or is there a ball joint in there that will require more work, and I'm assuming a new replacement ball joint?
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The bushings are essentially impossible to R&R in situ.
Mine required a substantial push from a friend’s 10-ton workshop press to do the deed.
The ball joints are an integral part of the arms (i. e., not replaceable separately).
Although the joints typically outlive -based upon age and mileage- the bushings by a factor of at least two, it’s almost always advantageous to replace them concurrently.
Complete replacement (OE-supplier Lemförder recommended) assemblies are surprisingly affordable from various vendors.
The longitudinal (torque) arms will likely require a puller to disengage from the hub carrier/steering knuckle.
You’re welcome borrow mine…I don’t anticipate using it again for a while.
Mine required a substantial push from a friend’s 10-ton workshop press to do the deed.
The ball joints are an integral part of the arms (i. e., not replaceable separately).
Although the joints typically outlive -based upon age and mileage- the bushings by a factor of at least two, it’s almost always advantageous to replace them concurrently.
Complete replacement (OE-supplier Lemförder recommended) assemblies are surprisingly affordable from various vendors.
The longitudinal (torque) arms will likely require a puller to disengage from the hub carrier/steering knuckle.
You’re welcome borrow mine…I don’t anticipate using it again for a while.
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If I use a ball joint separator tool to remove the arm, will I be able to re-install the arm after getting the bushings in? Or once the ball joint has been removed it's no good?
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You will be able to reuse if the ball joint is sound. A proper separator/puller will not damage the joint.
I don't mean to contradict my good friend splinter but if you have the genuine mercedes tool used by dealers then replacement of the Castor & Camber bushes in situ is easy - watched them do mine. Make sure that you mark the three position bush orientation in the arms. It is crucial.
I suspect that neat little tool is cost prohibitive.
While you are fitting new bushes - fit fluted bolts - then you can set wheel alignment properly.
Stolen from splinter's excellent thread & one of mine.
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c-class-w203/201770d1296488821-irregular-tire-wear-ive-never-seen-before-help-please-w203suspension696.jpg)
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Or you can just replace the 4 arms complete with fluted bolts at higher cost. Depends on your ball joint condition.
Good luck!
I don't mean to contradict my good friend splinter but if you have the genuine mercedes tool used by dealers then replacement of the Castor & Camber bushes in situ is easy - watched them do mine. Make sure that you mark the three position bush orientation in the arms. It is crucial.
I suspect that neat little tool is cost prohibitive.
While you are fitting new bushes - fit fluted bolts - then you can set wheel alignment properly.
Stolen from splinter's excellent thread & one of mine.
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c-class-w203/201770d1296488821-irregular-tire-wear-ive-never-seen-before-help-please-w203suspension696.jpg)
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c-class-w203/201771d1296488891-irregular-tire-wear-ive-never-seen-before-help-please-th_w203suspension665.jpg)
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c-class-w203/201772d1296488913-irregular-tire-wear-ive-never-seen-before-help-please-th_w203suspension713.jpg)
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c-class-w203/201773d1296488988-irregular-tire-wear-ive-never-seen-before-help-please-th_w203suspension739.jpg)
![](https://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/c-class-w203/59102d1124858869-installing-front-camber-castor-bolts-thrust-arm-bushings-possible-diy-camber_bolt_install_1_2.jpg)
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Or you can just replace the 4 arms complete with fluted bolts at higher cost. Depends on your ball joint condition.
Good luck!
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Excellent. Thanks.
My bolts aren't fluted. I do remember reading a thread where the bolts were being replaced by MB I think. Maybe I need some new ones.
My bolts aren't fluted. I do remember reading a thread where the bolts were being replaced by MB I think. Maybe I need some new ones.
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The standard bolt only fits the center position in the bush. You need fluted bolts to allow adjustment. Benz being cheap!
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I did mine without disconnecting the ball joints. I used a gear puller to remove the old bushings and press in the new ones. No doubt removing the whole arm would make it easier/quicker though.
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I got the old ones out by carefully drilling and cutting the rubber out. Then cutting a small groove in the outer ring to release the tension and slide it out.
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