LILBENZ230

Anyone else use them? Supposedly an OE-supplier, thought it was fine to use their pads. WRONG. I had a full brake job with rotors, pads, and a fluid flush done at 129,000 miles and ever since my cars brakes have not been right. They feel "gritty" and are noisy. Tried the bed-in procedure twice, now they've got very little bite. I suspect something is amiss with them. I've ordered a set of OEM pads today and am going to have them put on as soon as they arrive. This is what the rotor looks like now:



Definitely not right.

Glyn M Ruck

Are the rotors really as blue as they look in the pic??? Looks like overheating!

LILBENZ230

That was right after the break-in procedure. The rotors don't look that way anymore.. but the contact patch seems off. Also, the gritty feeling and general lack of bite is annoying me to no end.

tommy

Have you tried Akebonos? $76 at Tirerack, much less dust.

LILBENZ230

Dust doesn't bother me. My car gets driven through a car wash on a regular basis (so shoot me!). The OEM pads are great.

johnand

That pad transfer layer does not look right at all. Looks like only the center HALF of the pad material is transferring to the rotor. Would love to see the pads off the car and see how the pad materials are distributed. Pagid and Jurid are the 2 OEM's for pads for our cars, so I am stumped as to why you are having those issues

LILBENZ230

Caliper issue? I'm gonna have the new pads put on, the system bled, and the calipers checked.

kluvsbenz

I have Pagid on my rears and no issues whatsoever. Go figure. Curious if the issue is the pads or something else.

LILBENZ230

Well the rears are under significantly less stress than the fronts. I'm not sure what is going on.. but I can't take the noise and gritty feeling any more.

Glyn M Ruck

As I said in your previous thread. That last friends car that had a gritty feel to the brakes was solved by OE pads.

I have one question. Do we know if pads sold under the Pagid brand use the same friction material as those sold OE to Benz?

LILBENZ230

That was PM.. I wouldn't create duplicate threads!

Your recommendation is why I went ahead and placed an order for the "genuine Mercedes" pads.

I don't know about the friction material, though I can offer this anecdotal evidence. The first and second set of pads on this car were the genuine Mercedes OEM pads. The third set which wore out at 128,000 miles were Jurid pads. All of these were quiet.

I knew Pagid was an OE supplier, too, so this time I picked up a set of them (can't remember why, not much price difference). This is the only time the brakes have ever been noisy/gritty/etc. I hope it is not a caliper problem.

And yes, this is the fourth set of pads and third set of rotors in 132k miles, counting those from the assembly line.

Glyn M Ruck

Sorry. I loose track. So now you are going to fit pads from an OE Benz box - Yes?

LILBENZ230

Yes. Sucks to have to scrap pads so soon but I can't take it anymore!

LILBENZ230

Also appears they're not making appropriate contact anyway.

samaritrey

Interesting my Pagid pads are so dam noisy it is crazy. I figure I am going to have to change my pads as well.
I don't recommend these pads after my experience and I think matt agrees. The only other thing I figure it could be are the rotors but they are new genuine so I doubt it.

Glyn M Ruck

I'll bet Pagid supplies a Benz spec friction material OE.

LILBENZ230

Well, now I have violent shaking in the wheel and the whole chassis every 3rd or 4th stop. Something just has felt off with it for a while now.. I'm going to have my indy go over the whole front suspension with a fine tooth comb. The Pagid POS pads are being replaced by Genuine Benz ones and I guess I'll have the 3,000 mile old rotors resurfaced - all on Friday. Not sure if the car is even safe to drive right now, though. Feels like wheels are going to fall off.

My patience with these little things is thin.

Glyn M Ruck

Good luck - got your PM. I'm pleased you intend resurfacing the rotors. Something is very wrong. Do the rotors still look the same since the shaking started?

Make your guy check everything including wheel bearings. I don't like brake problems!!! They must work properly on demand. Make sure you have not sheared a pad locating pin.

jcnash

Glad I happened across this thread.

Im coming up on a full brake system change (fluid flush, rotors, pads) and considered the PAGID, JURID brands for a while, but after reading this, I think Im just going to go Akebono ceramics. Seems like these offer the best of both worlds ie...none or at least less dust and good braking feel/bite.

LILBENZ230

Rotors look fine - better than in the first pic. Everything looks normal, but something is very wrong.

Glyn M Ruck

Matt - just another thought - It's not the ABS triggering prematurely?

C230 Mulac

I would say for the violent shaking in the steering wheel your rotors are warped, but is it always when you brake or only when you brake really hard? My steering wheel has been shaking lately, which I took as an indication that my rotors are warped and need to be replaced (I've had them so long that it's past resurfacing). But my shaking only happens when I brake moderately to extremely hard.

I bought some Disc Italia rotors and Akebono ceramic pads. I've had the Akebonos before and they work great, highly recommended. Disc Italia I've never had before but from what I have read they seem very legit.

Good luck!

LILBENZ230

I'm familiar with the feeling of warped rotors but this is more sinister. Also, never had a problem like this in over 108k miles with this car.

Glyn - nope it isn't the ABS.

I drove to work this morning but it'll be towed from here. It is now shaking throughout the chassis even without braking, but it is made worse by braking. Something else is up.

kluvsbenz

Damn, I am up for my fronts soon according to my indy. Ready to pull the trigger on the Pagid pads but you are making me think twice. The $700+ front brake job at 53k I had done at the dealer is still haunting me to this day I am over 90k now. Thought these fronts would last longer for the amount of cash I put out. Oh well!!

LILBENZ230

Never let the dealer do a brake service. They are ridiculously overpriced. I've never paid more than $350 all in for new everything.

Hmmm.. the lug bolts on a front wheel could be loose.. I should check that before driving it again. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense but I suppose stranger things have happened.