AMG Sway Bar
#1
AMG Sway Bar
I'm thinking about installing the AMG sway bars on my C320. Can anyone give me any input on what is needed to do this conversion. I have placed an order for the sway bars and bushings. Is there any things else (end links) I would need to install them.
Thanks,
Nick
Thanks,
Nick
#2
Re: AMG Sway Bar
Originally posted by moreracm
I'm thinking about installing the AMG sway bars on my C320. Can anyone give me any input on what is needed to do this conversion. I have placed an order for the sway bars and bushings. Is there any things else (end links) I would need to install them.
Thanks,
Nick
I'm thinking about installing the AMG sway bars on my C320. Can anyone give me any input on what is needed to do this conversion. I have placed an order for the sway bars and bushings. Is there any things else (end links) I would need to install them.
Thanks,
Nick
#3
hey nick
hey nick do you have a base model c320 or the sports package? I have the sports package and i've been waiting to upgrade on the sway bars too, but i only got the H&R cup kit. please let me know if you know if there's a difference between the sports package bars and the amg bars.. thanks
#4
I have a feeling that they will be....
very similiar if not the same. I cant really see them making two sets of sway bars to get the same desired outcome for both. I dont remember seeing anything about AMG involved with the sway bars and if they are, then I bet MB uses them on the C320 Sport. Good luck.
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The handling was very noticably improved. Particularly, the front bar is a small increase in diameter and its stiffness is increased 50%. The rear bar, however, is a 150% increase in stiffness. Remember that the stiffness of the bar changes to the diameter change to the fourth power! Because of changing the stiffness of the rear relative to the front of the car, it drastically reduces understeer. Stiffening the front alone drastically improved turn-in. I really like the new balance of the car.
The install was as smooth as you could expect. The front bar even had the flat ground into it for mounting of the factory front suspension sensor for my xenons!
All that said, however, there is one downside. The effective spring rate of the suspension has been increased. This amplifies the fact that these cars are badly under-damped.
Koni Sports are on order.
The install was as smooth as you could expect. The front bar even had the flat ground into it for mounting of the factory front suspension sensor for my xenons!
All that said, however, there is one downside. The effective spring rate of the suspension has been increased. This amplifies the fact that these cars are badly under-damped.
Koni Sports are on order.
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Patronus, aside from the front and rear AMG sway bars....
what other parts (bushings, clamps, bolts) did you have to order to complete the installation. If possible, please provide a list and PNs.
Was is a straight bolt-on job? Does your C240 have the standard or sports package.
Appreciate your sharing the info and keep us posted on results of your Koni shock absorber installation. TIA.
Was is a straight bolt-on job? Does your C240 have the standard or sports package.
Appreciate your sharing the info and keep us posted on results of your Koni shock absorber installation. TIA.
#11
I'll provide part numbers tonight when I get home and look at my reciepts. It will have everything, from the bars, bushings down to special nuts and bolts. It was a straight bolt on except for having to drill a slightly larger hole where the sway mounts to the front strut.
My C240 did not have the (worthless) sport package. I am building my own that will handily out-perform it for less than half of the cost and without the cheezy aluminum trim and black interior, both of which I cannot stand.
The Koni's are not yet released. They are currently saying July. They will run about $550 for the set of four.
My C240 did not have the (worthless) sport package. I am building my own that will handily out-perform it for less than half of the cost and without the cheezy aluminum trim and black interior, both of which I cannot stand.
The Koni's are not yet released. They are currently saying July. They will run about $550 for the set of four.
#12
different views
i actually got the sports package for the aluminum trimming, i know it's not carbon fiber, but it gives it a sporty look, now that i think about it, i could have saved the ~3K on the sports package but the seats wouldnt have been as nice, only my opinion.
#13
phattbam,
Yes, we are all free to express our opinion. I will not judge you for yours, thanks for not judging me for mine.
Now, for the part numbers:
FRONT ASSEMBLY:
203-323-31-65 - Bar-front - $70.30
203-323-16-85 - Rubber mount (bushing) - $4.40 (2)
203-323-11-40 - Bracket - $11.50
203-323-12-40 - Bracket - $11.50
203-323-21-89 - Rod - $47.18 (2)
913023-012002 - Nut - $2.40 (4)
002-990-39-22 - Screw - $1.25 (4)
REAR ASSEMBLY:
203-326-00-81 - Rubber mount (bushing) - $7.60 (2)
203-326-15-65 - Bar-rear - $74.93
The screws are not absolutely necessary if you are very careful with the screws as you remove them from the front bushing assemblies. I used them because a couple of mine got bunged-up.
Good luck!
Yes, we are all free to express our opinion. I will not judge you for yours, thanks for not judging me for mine.
Now, for the part numbers:
FRONT ASSEMBLY:
203-323-31-65 - Bar-front - $70.30
203-323-16-85 - Rubber mount (bushing) - $4.40 (2)
203-323-11-40 - Bracket - $11.50
203-323-12-40 - Bracket - $11.50
203-323-21-89 - Rod - $47.18 (2)
913023-012002 - Nut - $2.40 (4)
002-990-39-22 - Screw - $1.25 (4)
REAR ASSEMBLY:
203-326-00-81 - Rubber mount (bushing) - $7.60 (2)
203-326-15-65 - Bar-rear - $74.93
The screws are not absolutely necessary if you are very careful with the screws as you remove them from the front bushing assemblies. I used them because a couple of mine got bunged-up.
Good luck!
#14
patronus,
Can you please check the connecting rod part numbers for the
front sway bar. My dealer does not show a part number
with 203-323-21-89, but they do show
203-322-21-89.
Thanks
Bora
Can you please check the connecting rod part numbers for the
front sway bar. My dealer does not show a part number
with 203-323-21-89, but they do show
203-322-21-89.
Thanks
Bora
#17
Sway bars...
I have a 2002 C240 Sport and i was wondering if there are any sway bars at all in mine? i don't think there are but whatever. And which dealer is actually willing to install them? Laguna Nigel is my preferred choice, but I'm not sure on how they are on installing extra upgrades to the car. Is it as long as they are MB parts that they are fine with the change?
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2002 C230 Coupe Black/Charcoal C5 C7 Auto
Originally posted by Mach430
You may want to consider Eibach Swaybars (which I don't believe are out yet) rather than AMG. I have the same size Eibach Swaybars on my CLK as the AMG, but paid a fraction of the price.
You may want to consider Eibach Swaybars (which I don't believe are out yet) rather than AMG. I have the same size Eibach Swaybars on my CLK as the AMG, but paid a fraction of the price.
#20
Re: Sway bars...
Originally posted by .elijah.
I have a 2002 C240 Sport and i was wondering if there are any sway bars at all in mine? i don't think there are but whatever. And which dealer is actually willing to install them? Laguna Nigel is my preferred choice, but I'm not sure on how they are on installing extra upgrades to the car. Is it as long as they are MB parts that they are fine with the change?
I have a 2002 C240 Sport and i was wondering if there are any sway bars at all in mine? i don't think there are but whatever. And which dealer is actually willing to install them? Laguna Nigel is my preferred choice, but I'm not sure on how they are on installing extra upgrades to the car. Is it as long as they are MB parts that they are fine with the change?
#21
Re: Re: Sway bars...
Originally posted by Buellwinkle
You don't need to pay people to install it, come to the Tech Session meet on February 22nd and the sponsor is providing a lift an all the tools, with that it only takes about 20 minutes to do. Just send Simon and e-mail telling him you'll be there.
You don't need to pay people to install it, come to the Tech Session meet on February 22nd and the sponsor is providing a lift an all the tools, with that it only takes about 20 minutes to do. Just send Simon and e-mail telling him you'll be there.
#22
Buellwinkle,
Actually, you need all of the parts listed including the link and the bushing mounts. The links are substantially larger for the AMG bars because of the significant increase in force (~150%) they put on the links. The outside of the bushings are bigger than stock and require a different mount, using the same mounting holes on the chassis.
Don't cheap out and end up with a broken suspension
Actually, you need all of the parts listed including the link and the bushing mounts. The links are substantially larger for the AMG bars because of the significant increase in force (~150%) they put on the links. The outside of the bushings are bigger than stock and require a different mount, using the same mounting holes on the chassis.
Don't cheap out and end up with a broken suspension
#24
Originally posted by patronus
Actually, you need all of the parts listed including the link and the bushing mounts. The links are substantially larger for the AMG bars because of the significant increase in force (~150%) they put on the links. The outside of the bushings are bigger than stock and require a different mount, using the same mounting holes on the chassis.
Actually, you need all of the parts listed including the link and the bushing mounts. The links are substantially larger for the AMG bars because of the significant increase in force (~150%) they put on the links. The outside of the bushings are bigger than stock and require a different mount, using the same mounting holes on the chassis.
My dealer just called me and said that the bars are in!
Can't wait to install them tonight!
#25
Originally posted by patronus
Actually, you need all of the parts listed including the link and the bushing mounts. The links are substantially larger for the AMG bars because of the significant increase in force (~150%) they put on the links. The outside of the bushings are bigger than stock and require a different mount, using the same mounting holes on the chassis.
Don't cheap out and end up with a broken suspension
Actually, you need all of the parts listed including the link and the bushing mounts. The links are substantially larger for the AMG bars because of the significant increase in force (~150%) they put on the links. The outside of the bushings are bigger than stock and require a different mount, using the same mounting holes on the chassis.
Don't cheap out and end up with a broken suspension
Last edited by young; 01-18-2003 at 08:48 PM.