C-Class (W204) 2008 - 2014: C180K, C200K, C230, C280, C300, C350, C200CDI, C220CDI, C320CDI

Keyless Go

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 10-30-2009, 01:50 AM
  #26  
RLE
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
RLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: SEATTLE WASHINGTON USA
Posts: 3,986
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
'08 C300 Lux Barolo Red Beige Leather P2 MM 18" wheels '84 944
Go

Originally Posted by irEric
Keyless is wonderful. I am so used to it I have a habit of trying to lock friends' cars by touching the handle.
To shut the engine off, how long does the button have to be pushed in?
Old 10-30-2009, 10:15 AM
  #27  
Super Member
 
Illusive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 567
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2012 C63 AMG
Originally Posted by RLE
To shut the engine off, how long does the button have to be pushed in?
To start, you have to hold the brake down and then just push the button in once. To turn off, once the car is in Park, push the button in once again and it will turn off. Keyless GO uses the existing starter keyhole to work. You can remove the button and revert back to using the key to start the car for valets etc.
Old 10-30-2009, 03:41 PM
  #28  
RLE
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
RLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: SEATTLE WASHINGTON USA
Posts: 3,986
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
'08 C300 Lux Barolo Red Beige Leather P2 MM 18" wheels '84 944
Keyless go stop

Originally Posted by Illusive
To turn off, once the car is in Park, push the button in once again and it will turn off.
So, the trans must be in park for the stop function, then? If it's idling in gear, you cannot stop the engine even if you hold the button in?

I have a reason for these questions.
Old 10-30-2009, 03:47 PM
  #29  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
451/443=EW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,244
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
C350 4Matic
Originally Posted by RLE
So, the trans must be in park for the stop function, then? If it's idling in gear, you cannot stop the engine even if you hold the button in?

I have a reason for these questions.
Yes the car must be in P, I have not tried it in N.
So why do you ask?
Old 10-30-2009, 03:55 PM
  #30  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Diesel Benz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Europe
Posts: 6,383
Received 295 Likes on 247 Posts
223.168 & 213.012 & 906.633 & 214.005
Originally Posted by RLE
So, the trans must be in park for the stop function, then? If it's idling in gear, you cannot stop the engine even if you hold the button in?

I have a reason for these questions.
If it is about the Lexus issue, the engine stops at speeds above 3 km/h if you press the KG button for at least 3 seconds.
Old 10-30-2009, 11:28 PM
  #31  
RLE
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
RLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: SEATTLE WASHINGTON USA
Posts: 3,986
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
'08 C300 Lux Barolo Red Beige Leather P2 MM 18" wheels '84 944
Stop/go

Originally Posted by Diesel Benz
If it is about the Lexus issue, the engine stops at speeds above 3 km/h if you press the KG button for at least 3 seconds.
It is exactly about the San Diego Lexus accident and their version of Keyless Go. The details about that crash were published recently and it's relation to the push button engine stop system is going to cost Toyota a huge amount of money. And that particular dealer.
Old 10-31-2009, 06:08 AM
  #32  
PREMIUM SPONSOR
 
rob13572468's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 615
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
ML350, Lotus Elise
Originally Posted by RLE
It is exactly about the San Diego Lexus accident and their version of Keyless Go. The details about that crash were published recently and it's relation to the push button engine stop system is going to cost Toyota a huge amount of money. And that particular dealer.
The specific actuarial fault really has to do with the floor mats... The one thing everyon knows about the lexus floor mats is that they get worn and then bunch up and this is what caused the stuck throttle that then caused the accident. The lexus dealers now are literally drilling a hole in the floor mats and zip-tying them to the seat rail as an interim solution.

But yes, the other issue was that the driver in the accident did not know that you could hold the button for 3 sec to kill the engine and they crashed and died. AFAIK there hasnt been any liability decided on that issue yet but i will bet that all keyless go type buttons get replaced with ones that say (HOLD TO KILL ENGINE) or something like that...
Old 10-31-2009, 10:26 AM
  #33  
Member
 
Norm01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 237
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
2011 E550 Coupe
Just tried mine and I can shut the engine down in drive with or without the foot on the brake. Seemed like almost instant shutdown. Once the engine was off I was able to put the car in park.
Old 10-31-2009, 01:00 PM
  #34  
Member
 
coolvi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2016 C63, 2009 C3004M
Originally Posted by rob13572468
But yes, the other issue was that the driver in the accident did not know that you could hold the button for 3 sec to kill the engine and they crashed and died. AFAIK there hasnt been any liability decided on that issue yet but i will bet that all keyless go type buttons get replaced with ones that say (HOLD TO KILL ENGINE) or something like that...
The car would've lost steering completely and electric-assisted brakes by turning off the engine, would it not? But I guess having to manually put the car to a stop from going at 90km/h (assuming that's the time it would take to realize the problem and react to it) in a straight line is still better than crashing at 150km/h. Unless the road condition (i.e. turns or traffic) required the steering part. And if we're talking about the same incident, it's hard to tell someone who's been in the safety inspection field for some years to give up CONTROL in a situation like this.

I don't have keyless go, but I don't miss it a bit. I think it was a $1,000CDN option on the C300 4Matic. Anyway, I enjoy the part where you have to insert and turn the key to start and even more when both hands are in my pockets and have the car lock 20 feet behind me.

Last edited by coolvi; 10-31-2009 at 01:02 PM.
Old 10-31-2009, 01:15 PM
  #35  
Super Member
 
Illusive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary, AB
Posts: 567
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2012 C63 AMG
Originally Posted by coolvi
I don't have keyless go, but I don't miss it a bit. I think it was a $1,000CDN option on the C300 4Matic. Anyway, I enjoy the part where you have to insert and turn the key to start and even more when both hands are in my pockets and have the car lock 20 feet behind me.
How could you miss it? You never had it. And the car doesn't shut down when you exit the vehicle, all it does is show a warning that the key is not located in the vehicle. Doesn't stop me from starting then retreating to my house on a cold day for a few minutes.
Old 10-31-2009, 06:47 PM
  #36  
Member
 
Kenc1103's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Fremont, CA
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2009 C350
Originally Posted by RLE
It is exactly about the San Diego Lexus accident and their version of Keyless Go. The details about that crash were published recently and it's relation to the push button engine stop system is going to cost Toyota a huge amount of money. And that particular dealer.
Their lives would have been saved if the driver held the keyless go button for 3 sec to kill the engine....so sad.
Old 10-31-2009, 11:04 PM
  #37  
RLE
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
RLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: SEATTLE WASHINGTON USA
Posts: 3,986
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
'08 C300 Lux Barolo Red Beige Leather P2 MM 18" wheels '84 944
Lexus crash

Originally Posted by rob13572468
The specific actuarial fault really has to do with the floor mats... The one thing everyone knows about the lexus floor mats is that they get worn and then bunch up and this is what caused the stuck throttle that then caused the accident. The lexus dealers now are literally drilling a hole in the floor mats and zip-tying them to the seat rail as an interim solution.

But yes, the other issue was that the driver in the accident did not know that you could hold the button for 3 sec to kill the engine and they crashed and died. AFAIK there hasnt been any liability decided on that issue yet but i will bet that all keyless go type buttons get replaced with ones that say (HOLD TO KILL ENGINE) or something like that...
The accident car was a 2009 ES350 dealer service loaner. The driver had left his Lexus for service and he loaded his wife, daughter and brother-in-law in the loaner and got on the road. BTW, he was an off duty California Highway patrolman so you have to believe he knew something about driving.
The theory is that the unsecured floor mat (installed by the dealer) somehow pinned the gas pedal down and the car took off. Speeds were above 100mph before the car collided with another car and went off the end of the road at a T-intersection, flipped and burned. Examination of the car's remains showed the brake pads worn down to the backing plates and the brake discs gouged and blued indicating very high heat.

Why the driver didn't put the trans in neutral is a mystery but I'll bet you that the floor mat issue and the engine shutdown procedure (unexplained, I'll bet) will be the basis of the lawsuit.

And that is why I asked about MB Keyless Go shutdown procedure which BTW was not answered.

Last edited by RLE; 10-31-2009 at 11:06 PM.
Old 11-01-2009, 02:01 AM
  #38  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Diesel Benz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Europe
Posts: 6,383
Received 295 Likes on 247 Posts
223.168 & 213.012 & 906.633 & 214.005
Originally Posted by RLE
And that is why I asked about MB Keyless Go shutdown procedure which BTW was not answered.
Can you repeat that question, which part was not covered yet?
Old 11-02-2009, 07:47 PM
  #39  
RLE
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
RLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: SEATTLE WASHINGTON USA
Posts: 3,986
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
'08 C300 Lux Barolo Red Beige Leather P2 MM 18" wheels '84 944
Originally Posted by Diesel Benz
Can you repeat that question, which part was not covered yet?
Answered today by Norm01. Scroll up.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Keyless Go



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:57 PM.