W204 used in the new A4 commercial!
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I also pointed out the ridiculous nature in which amanonfire used a camera phone picture to compare the interior of the w204 vs studio pictures of the a4.
For Christ's sake, your last 3 posts were
"I bet your job doesn't require you to think"
"Go ask the Germans, they think MB's suck"
"Glad you have nothing intelligent to offer to this conversation"
You have anything positive to offer, Negative Nancy?
My post, as unintelligent as you make think it was, was sarcastically taking a jab at all the MB-haters (and the effort in which they go about it). Pains me that I had to explain that.
And yes, AsianML, I do know that this is a discussion forum - hence "rhetorical" - you sure it's not a haters-forum? Kidding, of course
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I made some points earlier on this topic, mainly that I felt companies in general who name their competitors in their own ads were, in my opinion, tasteless.
I also pointed out the ridiculous nature in which amanonfire used a camera phone picture to compare the interior of the w204 vs studio pictures of the a4.
For Christ's sake, your last 3 posts were
"I bet your job doesn't require you to think"
"Go ask the Germans, they think MB's suck"
"Glad you have nothing intelligent to offer to this conversation"
You have anything positive to offer, Negative Nancy?
My post, as unintelligent as you make think it was, was sarcastically taking a jab at all the MB-haters (and the effort in which they go about it). Pains me that I had to explain that.
And yes, AsianML, I do know that this is a discussion forum - hence "rhetorical" - you sure it's not a haters-forum? Kidding, of course![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Lastly, love your car jherbias
let's see some mods already.
I also pointed out the ridiculous nature in which amanonfire used a camera phone picture to compare the interior of the w204 vs studio pictures of the a4.
For Christ's sake, your last 3 posts were
"I bet your job doesn't require you to think"
"Go ask the Germans, they think MB's suck"
"Glad you have nothing intelligent to offer to this conversation"
You have anything positive to offer, Negative Nancy?
My post, as unintelligent as you make think it was, was sarcastically taking a jab at all the MB-haters (and the effort in which they go about it). Pains me that I had to explain that.
And yes, AsianML, I do know that this is a discussion forum - hence "rhetorical" - you sure it's not a haters-forum? Kidding, of course
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Lastly, love your car jherbias
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I am not an MB hater... like I said I was going to get a W204. In fact my favorite MB is the CL. But I decided I wouldn't be happy with it, at least as much as I would as w/ my current car. I also remembered jumping into one and expressing great disappointment (W204). At the time it didn't seem, at least to me, that they improved the interior a whole lot.
I like my car, but hell, I can find a lot of faults with it (and the company as a whole). I'm not going to pretend that a BMW is cooler than anything else "just because." When I mentioned to my dealer that my mom wants to know what the real difference between her Lexus and BMW is, the "worst" thing he said is that they were different cars for different people. They saw my old Z and asked "well, what is wrong with your car?" NEVER did they mention that a BMW was "that much better" than anything else.
Pessismistic, maybe, but the apparent "it's just a VW" air I see in here sometimes is just lame. I have read a lot of subjective arguments in here that smack of ignorance. I don't care if anybody bashes my car in here... like they did in my other thread, but when I read "empty" posts I just have to roll my eyes sometimes.
Finally, no mods on the car; if I do get something it would be at most wheels. I wanna save up in case I want to move out of the house...
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And yes lets look at MB track record, I believe it is between Ferrari and MB for the constructor championship this year. MB is very close to Ferrari, down by 8 points. One win for MB and one DNF or less than 8th for Ferrari will tie this race up. Thats not too hard to think possible since Lewis leads the drivers standing.
I should add that McLaren is was involved in industrial espionage against Ferrari. (Just to be fair)
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Sorry but just wanted to point out that Audi is also not in F1. The premier racing leage of the world. Le Mans is a great race to be apart of aswell, but since you pointed out MB is not in Le Mans I thought if fit to do the same for F1. Im not getting into a pissing match here, just making a point too.
And yes lets look at MB track record, I believe it is between Ferrari and MB for the constructor championship this year. MB is very close to Ferrari, down by 8 points. One win for MB and one DNF or less than 8th for Ferrari will tie this race up. Thats not too hard to think possible since Lewis leads the drivers standing.
I should add that McLaren is was involved in industrial espionage against Ferrari. (Just to be fair)
And yes lets look at MB track record, I believe it is between Ferrari and MB for the constructor championship this year. MB is very close to Ferrari, down by 8 points. One win for MB and one DNF or less than 8th for Ferrari will tie this race up. Thats not too hard to think possible since Lewis leads the drivers standing.
I should add that McLaren is was involved in industrial espionage against Ferrari. (Just to be fair)
And this is what Norbert Haug said to Mario Theissen when the latter was still working with Williams: it's easier to build an engine than a chassis.
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MB doesn't do anything but the engine in F1. And before 2004 they had Ilmor build their engines; all they did was put their name on it.
And this is what Norbert Haug said to Mario Theissen when the latter was still working with Williams: it's easier to build an engine than a chassis.
And this is what Norbert Haug said to Mario Theissen when the latter was still working with Williams: it's easier to build an engine than a chassis.
Read the history here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R8_(race_car)
As if audi was making the chassis for le mans them selves.
Oh PLEASE!!!
and here is the so called BMW F1 origin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Sauber
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its not OK to be snobby and pick on another member's comment
really?
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Nothing they said in the commercial is incorrect. Comparing the C300 4Matic, 328xi and IS250 AWD to the A4 2.0TQ, they are smaller, slower and less fuel efficient.
C300 4Matic - 17/25 mpg, 7.1s (0-60), 182.3" (front to back) and 67.2" (side to side)
328xi - 17/25 mpg, 7.1s (0-60), 178.2" (front to back) and 71.5" (side to side)
IS250 AWD - 20/26 mpg, 8.3s (0-60), 180.1" (front to back) and 70.9" (side to side)
A4 2.0TQ - 21/27 mpg, 6.7s (0-60), 185.2" (front to back) and 72" (side to side)
All the info was from each manufacturer's site.
C300 4Matic - 17/25 mpg, 7.1s (0-60), 182.3" (front to back) and 67.2" (side to side)
328xi - 17/25 mpg, 7.1s (0-60), 178.2" (front to back) and 71.5" (side to side)
IS250 AWD - 20/26 mpg, 8.3s (0-60), 180.1" (front to back) and 70.9" (side to side)
A4 2.0TQ - 21/27 mpg, 6.7s (0-60), 185.2" (front to back) and 72" (side to side)
All the info was from each manufacturer's site.
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I understand the W204 owners angst, I'd hate to have my car ripped apart, and not have a leg to stand on besides the snobby "its a Mercedes".
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its not how good they make cars
its how bad they advertise
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ok so you decide the engine is easier to build than a chassis. This was very brilliant after all.
Read the history here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R8_(race_car)
As if audi was making the chassis for le mans them selves.
Oh PLEASE!!!
and here is the so called BMW F1 origin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Sauber
Read the history here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R8_(race_car)
As if audi was making the chassis for le mans them selves.
Oh PLEASE!!!
and here is the so called BMW F1 origin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Sauber
The Audi R10 geometry is designed in-house w/ a few consultancy companies, then Dallara builds it and wind-tunnels it. Then the parts are sent back to Audi for final wind-tunnel testing.
www.mulsannescorner.com
While you're here too, go look at the Mercedes CLR. Look up the R10 as well - the R8 is old news already.
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you missed my point
yet if you're going to be snobby about buying a car, it should be OK to be snobby about a commercial
really.
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But it worked... now we're comparing the A4 and C-class. Hopefully the informed viewer won't say "it's just a VW" and actually test drive the damn car.
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MB doesn't do anything but the engine in F1. And before 2004 they had Ilmor build their engines; all they did was put their name on it.
And this is what Norbert Haug said to Mario Theissen when the latter was still working with Williams: it's easier to build an engine than a chassis.
And this is what Norbert Haug said to Mario Theissen when the latter was still working with Williams: it's easier to build an engine than a chassis.
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Norbert Haug is the motorsport director of Mercedes-Benz; Mario Theissen (sp) is the same of BMW. You can ask them...
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Why ask them, they build race cars and I buy steet cars. I dont need there imput on what I like. BMW makes great cars and I see you have one, good for you. But I think we are getting off topic from this thead. You made a point about MB in Le Mans and I did the same for Audi in F1. This has nothing do do with BMW. Who buy the way is a not too far 3rd but lets see how this weekend goes.
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Let me guess... you aren't paid to think either. Where did I mention BMW's F1 origin? Did I compare BMW to Mercedes? I already know they bought Sauber. They kept the Sauber name strictly as homage you tool. Do you even know who Norbert Haug is? I doubt it. Why don't you wiki him too, smart guy. While you're at it, Wiki the 1955 24 Hours of Le Mans.
The Audi R10 geometry is designed in-house w/ a few consultancy companies, then Dallara builds it and wind-tunnels it. Then the parts are sent back to Audi for final wind-tunnel testing.
www.mulsannescorner.com
While you're here too, go look at the Mercedes CLR. Look up the R10 as well - the R8 is old news already.
The Audi R10 geometry is designed in-house w/ a few consultancy companies, then Dallara builds it and wind-tunnels it. Then the parts are sent back to Audi for final wind-tunnel testing.
www.mulsannescorner.com
While you're here too, go look at the Mercedes CLR. Look up the R10 as well - the R8 is old news already.
I changed my mind and delete the orginal reply as it is a never ending convo with nothing to gain at the end.
Now if you wanna say something proven about w204 then please go ahead . Do not call owners of w204 what ever you want and keep your brialliant replies or comments for the cars only
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I changed my mind and delete the orginal reply as it is a never ending convo with nothing to gain at the end.
Now if you wanna say something proven about w204 then please go ahead . Do not call owners of w204 what ever you want and keep your brialliant replies or comments for the cars only
Now if you wanna say something proven about w204 then please go ahead . Do not call owners of w204 what ever you want and keep your brialliant replies or comments for the cars only
And I've said it a dozen of times... I was considering the car until I realized I wouldn't be happy with it. I have sat in one before so I at least have a decent opinion of the interior.
The commercial is bogus to some but their campaign this year means they are going to break out of that second-tier German car status that many people unfortunately put them in, just because "it's a VW."
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I never said anything that generalizes W204 owners. If I have, point it out. I just don't think the Mercedes is a better car than Audi or Honda just because there's a name to it. There's a lot of replies in this thread that follow that protocol.
And I've said it a dozen of times... I was considering the car until I realized I wouldn't be happy with it. I have sat in one before so I at least have a decent opinion of the interior.
The commercial is bogus to some but their campaign this year means they are going to break out of that second-tier German car status that many people unfortunately put them in, just because "it's a VW."
And I've said it a dozen of times... I was considering the car until I realized I wouldn't be happy with it. I have sat in one before so I at least have a decent opinion of the interior.
The commercial is bogus to some but their campaign this year means they are going to break out of that second-tier German car status that many people unfortunately put them in, just because "it's a VW."
As for Audi, well they are makeing moves, they have big plans to increase the product line to I think around 44 cars. More competion mean we as consumers win as they keep giving us more for less.
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Correct me if im wrong, but isnt the engine the life and hart of a car. Ya its nice to have a great chassis in your driveway, but only if it moves right?
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I cant believe how worked up folks are getting over comments made by a guy that cough cough still lives at home. I say this in the context that most folks still living at home dont have much in the way of real world experience or perspective.
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Everyone has a diferent idea of a good car, Honda are great if you want styal and reliability. But look back into history and see were most Auto makers get the new technology from. Yes they all contribute, but MB is one of the leaders of new features that make it to market as a standard feature now. Example- ESP honda, toyota, chrysler, gm..... they call it a different name but it came form MB. So who makes the best car.... well it just depends on what you want from your car. Audi is also a big factor to the auto world with the Quattro system. Porsche with the turbo. GM with the air bag, Saab with Active head rest. Im not saying MB is the one, but the S class is ahead of most and the all seem to chase the S.
As for Audi, well they are makeing moves, they have big plans to increase the product line to I think around 44 cars. More competion mean we as consumers win as they keep giving us more for less.![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
As for Audi, well they are makeing moves, they have big plans to increase the product line to I think around 44 cars. More competion mean we as consumers win as they keep giving us more for less.
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