Maximo7

Quick question guys...

If i install the brabus exhaust in my C350, could i loose my warranty???

thanks

soldier2304

No, you dont lose the warranty unless you remove the catalytics and they find out you did!

Maximo7

Great thanks!!

I noticed you are in Miami as well....Where do you do all your mods?

Thanks

soldier2304

Best place for exhaust installation is Caribe Mufflers in bird road and like 92 st.

Also Power wheels in bird road and 95 st

I've also used the benz body shop to install some stuff

GHAZAN

Yes you will...

Azn_C300

No you won't. Don't spread misinformation. Anything cat back is fair game.

tanktube67

No you won't I'm having my rear seccion replace (mufflers and tips) as soon I get my tips back from the powder coating shop

GHAZAN

Yes you will search the forum next time you have a question that's been asked half a dozen times this year.

tanktube67

You only will lose your emissions warranty.

soldier2304

You will not lose your warranty dam it! Mercedes themselves use aftermarket exhaust systems on some packed cars they sell! I.E Brabus and Lorinser

tanktube67

You can believe what you want.

tanktube67

^+1

Azn_C300

Anything after the Cats will NOT cause you to lose your warranty. If someone did lose their warranty, they're the exception, not the rule, and I bet you they did more than just mod their exhaust. I've spoken to tons of dealers and reps from MBUSA....after cats are considered aesthetic noise modulation, so considered the same as if you add an aftermarket spoiler....

tanktube67

This thread is going to get Ugly.

ericgt

HMMMMM yes-let it, because I want to know exactly what I can or can not do when I get my C350

spoolIT85

i agree, stop spreading misinformation... and let's stay on topic folks

by law you are protected by the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act... to put in plainly, if you put in a new exhaust system, with or without cat, and your brakes fail then the dealer cannot simply deny you warranty on the brakes. if you however, blow up your engine since you put in a turbo or supercharger on your car then this might be a different story.

pretty much the burden of proof rests with the dealer that your specific mod caused the defect with the car.

i guess the general common sense rule here is that if you are afraid that your warranty will be voided out, then don't do any mods period!

from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (P.L. 93-637) is a United States federal law (15 U.S.C. § 2301 et seq.). Enacted in 1975, it is the federal statute that governs warranties on consumer products.
The Act was sponsored by Senator Warren G. Magnuson of Washington and Congressman John E. Moss of California, both Democrats.
Contents

[hide]

• 1 Purpose
• 2 Definitions used
• 3 Requirements
  • 3.1 Full Warranty Requirements
• 4 Limitations
• 5 Remedies under the Act
• 6 See also
• 7 Sources
• 8 References
• 9 External links

[edit] Purpose

According to the Report of the House of Representatives which accompanied the law (House Report No. 93-1197, 93d Cong 2d Sess.) the Magnuson-Moss act was enacted by Congress in response to the widespread misuse by merchants of express warranties and disclaimers. The legislative history indicates that the purpose of the Act is to make warranties on consumer products more readily understood and enforceable and to provide the Federal Trade Commission with means to better protect consumers.[1]
The statute is remedial in nature and is intended to protect consumers from deceptive warranty practices. Consumer products are not required to have warranties, but if one is given, it must comply with the Magnuson-Moss Act.

[edit] Definitions used

The Magnuson-Moss Act contains many definitions:

• A "consumer" is a buyer of consumer goods for personal use. A buyer of consumer products for resale is not a consumer.
• A "supplier" is any person engaged in the business of making a consumer product directly or indirectly available to consumers.
• A "warrantor" is any supplier or other person who gives or offers a written warranty or who has some obligation under an implied warranty.
• A "consumer product" is generally any tangible personal property for sale and that is normally used for personal, family, or household purposes. It is important to note that the determination whether a good is a consumer product requires a factual finding, on a case-by-case basis. Najran Co. for General Contracting and Trading v. Fleetwood Enterprises, Inc., 659 F. Supp. 1081 (S.D. Ga. 1986).
• A "written warranty" (also called an express warranty) is any written promise made in connection with the sale of a consumer product by a supplier to a consumer that relates to the material and/or workmanship and that affirms that the product is defect-free or will meet a certain standard of performance over a specified time.
• An "implied warranty" is defined in state law. The Magnuson-Moss Act simply provides limitations on disclaimers and provides a remedy for their violation.
• Designations:
  • A "full warranty" is one that meets the federal minimum standards for a warranty. Such warranties must be "conspicuously designated" as full warranties. If each of the following five statements is true about your warranty's terms and conditions, it is a "full" warranty:
    • You do not limit the duration of implied warranties.
    • You provide warranty service to anyone who owns the product during the warranty period; that is, you do not limit coverage to first purchasers.
    • You provide warranty service free of charge, including such costs as returning the product or removing and reinstalling the product when necessary.
    • You provide, at the consumer's choice, either a replacement or a full refund if, after a reasonable number of tries, you are unable to repair the product.
    • You do not require consumers to perform any duty as a precondition for receiving service, except notifying you that service is needed, unless you can demonstrate that the duty is reasonable.
  • A "limited warranty" is one that does not meet the federal minimums. Such warranties must be "conspicuously designated" as limited warranties.
• A "multiple warranty" is part full and part limited.
• A "service contract" is different from a warranty because service contracts do not affirm the quality or workmanship of a consumer product. A service contract is a written instrument in which a supplier agrees to perform, over a fixed period of time or for a specified duration, services relating to the maintenance or repair, or both, of a consumer product. Agreements that meet the statutory definition of service contracts, but are sold and regulated under state law as contracts of insurance, do not come under the Act's provisions.

[edit] Requirements

The Act provides that any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty must disclose, fully and conspicuously, in simple and readily understood language, the terms and conditions of the warranty to the extent required by rules of the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC has enacted regulations governing the disclosure of written consumer product warranty terms and conditions on consumer products actually costing the consumer more than $15. The Rules can be found at 16 C.F.R. Part 700.
Under the terms of the Act, ambiguous statements in a warranty are construed against the drafter of the warranty.
Likewise, service contracts must fully, clearly, and conspicuously disclose their terms and conditions in simple and readily understood language.
Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[2] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions[3], and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives.

[edit] Full Warranty Requirements

Under a full warranty, in the case of a defect, malfunction, or failure to conform with the written warranty, the warrantor:

• must, as a minimum, remedy the consumer product within a reasonable time and without charge;
• may not impose any limitation on the duration of any implied warranty on the product;
• may not exclude or limit consequential damages for a breach of any written or implied warranty on the product, unless the exclusion or limitation conspicuously appears on the face of the warranty; and
• if the product, or a component part, contains a defect or malfunction, must permit the consumer to elect either a refund or replacement without charge, after a reasonable number of repair attempts.

In addition, the warrantor may not impose any duty, other than notification, upon any consumer, as a condition of securing the repair of any consumer product that malfunctions, is defective, or does not conform to the written warranty. However, the warrantor may require consumers to return a defective item to its place of purchase for repair.

[edit] Limitations

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act does not invalidate or restrict any right or remedy of any consumer under any other federal law, nor does the Act supersede the Federal Trade Commission Act as it pertains to antitrust actions.
The Act does not invalidate or restrict any right or remedy of any consumer under state law. The Act is not the dominant regulation of consumer product warranties, and while it prescribes certain disclosures and restricts certain limitations on warranties, it leaves other warranty law untouched.[4]
Although the Act covers warranties on repair or replacement parts in consumer products, warranties on services for repairs are not covered.
The federal minimum standards for full warranties are waived if the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance.

[edit] Remedies under the Act

The Act is meant to provide consumers with access to reasonable and effective remedies where there is a breach of warranty on a consumer product. The Act provides for informal dispute-settlement procedures and for actions brought by the government and by private parties.
The FTC has been mandated by Congress to promulgate rules to encourage the use of alternative dispute resolution, and full warranties may require mediation and/or arbitration as a first step toward settling disputes.
In addition, the federal government has the authority to take injunctive action against a supplier or warrantor who fails to meet the requirements of the act.
Finally, consumers may seek redress in the courts for alleged violations of the Magnuson-Moss Act. A consumer who has been injured by the noncompliance of a supplier may bring an action in state court if the amount in controversy is between $25 and $50,000, or a class action in state court if the number of class plaintiffs is less than 100. If the jurisdictional amount, or number of plaintiffs, exceed these limits, such an action may be brought in federal district court.[5] Moreover, one of the key aids to the effectiveness of the Act is that a prevailing plaintiff may recover reasonable costs of suit, including attorney fees.[6]

spoolIT85

i agree, stop spreading misinformation... and let's stay on topic folks

by law you are protected by the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act... to put in plainly, if you put in a new exhaust system, with or without cat, and your brakes fail then the dealer cannot simply deny you warranty on the brakes. if you however, blow up your engine since you put in a turbo or supercharger on your car then this might be a different story.

pretty much the burden of proof rests with the dealer that your specific mod caused the defect with the car.

i guess the general common sense rule here is that if you are afraid that your warranty will be voided out, then don't do any mods period!




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from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (P.L. 93-637) is a United States federal law (15 U.S.C. § 2301 et seq.). Enacted in 1975, it is the federal statute that governs warranties on consumer products.
The Act was sponsored by Senator Warren G. Magnuson of Washington and Congressman John E. Moss of California, both Democrats.
Contents

[hide]

• 1 Purpose
• 2 Definitions used
• 3 Requirements
  • 3.1 Full Warranty Requirements
• 4 Limitations
• 5 Remedies under the Act
• 6 See also
• 7 Sources
• 8 References
• 9 External links

[edit] Purpose

According to the Report of the House of Representatives which accompanied the law (House Report No. 93-1197, 93d Cong 2d Sess.) the Magnuson-Moss act was enacted by Congress in response to the widespread misuse by merchants of express warranties and disclaimers. The legislative history indicates that the purpose of the Act is to make warranties on consumer products more readily understood and enforceable and to provide the Federal Trade Commission with means to better protect consumers.[1]
The statute is remedial in nature and is intended to protect consumers from deceptive warranty practices. Consumer products are not required to have warranties, but if one is given, it must comply with the Magnuson-Moss Act.

[edit] Definitions used

The Magnuson-Moss Act contains many definitions:

• A "consumer" is a buyer of consumer goods for personal use. A buyer of consumer products for resale is not a consumer.
• A "supplier" is any person engaged in the business of making a consumer product directly or indirectly available to consumers.
• A "warrantor" is any supplier or other person who gives or offers a written warranty or who has some obligation under an implied warranty.
• A "consumer product" is generally any tangible personal property for sale and that is normally used for personal, family, or household purposes. It is important to note that the determination whether a good is a consumer product requires a factual finding, on a case-by-case basis. Najran Co. for General Contracting and Trading v. Fleetwood Enterprises, Inc., 659 F. Supp. 1081 (S.D. Ga. 1986).
• A "written warranty" (also called an express warranty) is any written promise made in connection with the sale of a consumer product by a supplier to a consumer that relates to the material and/or workmanship and that affirms that the product is defect-free or will meet a certain standard of performance over a specified time.
• An "implied warranty" is defined in state law. The Magnuson-Moss Act simply provides limitations on disclaimers and provides a remedy for their violation.
• Designations:
  • A "full warranty" is one that meets the federal minimum standards for a warranty. Such warranties must be "conspicuously designated" as full warranties. If each of the following five statements is true about your warranty's terms and conditions, it is a "full" warranty:
    • You do not limit the duration of implied warranties.
    • You provide warranty service to anyone who owns the product during the warranty period; that is, you do not limit coverage to first purchasers.
    • You provide warranty service free of charge, including such costs as returning the product or removing and reinstalling the product when necessary.
    • You provide, at the consumer's choice, either a replacement or a full refund if, after a reasonable number of tries, you are unable to repair the product.
    • You do not require consumers to perform any duty as a precondition for receiving service, except notifying you that service is needed, unless you can demonstrate that the duty is reasonable.
  • A "limited warranty" is one that does not meet the federal minimums. Such warranties must be "conspicuously designated" as limited warranties.
• A "multiple warranty" is part full and part limited.
• A "service contract" is different from a warranty because service contracts do not affirm the quality or workmanship of a consumer product. A service contract is a written instrument in which a supplier agrees to perform, over a fixed period of time or for a specified duration, services relating to the maintenance or repair, or both, of a consumer product. Agreements that meet the statutory definition of service contracts, but are sold and regulated under state law as contracts of insurance, do not come under the Act's provisions.

[edit] Requirements

The Act provides that any warrantor warranting a consumer product to a consumer by means of a written warranty must disclose, fully and conspicuously, in simple and readily understood language, the terms and conditions of the warranty to the extent required by rules of the Federal Trade Commission. The FTC has enacted regulations governing the disclosure of written consumer product warranty terms and conditions on consumer products actually costing the consumer more than $15. The Rules can be found at 16 C.F.R. Part 700.
Under the terms of the Act, ambiguous statements in a warranty are construed against the drafter of the warranty.
Likewise, service contracts must fully, clearly, and conspicuously disclose their terms and conditions in simple and readily understood language.
Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[2] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions[3], and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives.

[edit] Full Warranty Requirements

Under a full warranty, in the case of a defect, malfunction, or failure to conform with the written warranty, the warrantor:

• must, as a minimum, remedy the consumer product within a reasonable time and without charge;
• may not impose any limitation on the duration of any implied warranty on the product;
• may not exclude or limit consequential damages for a breach of any written or implied warranty on the product, unless the exclusion or limitation conspicuously appears on the face of the warranty; and
• if the product, or a component part, contains a defect or malfunction, must permit the consumer to elect either a refund or replacement without charge, after a reasonable number of repair attempts.

In addition, the warrantor may not impose any duty, other than notification, upon any consumer, as a condition of securing the repair of any consumer product that malfunctions, is defective, or does not conform to the written warranty. However, the warrantor may require consumers to return a defective item to its place of purchase for repair.

[edit] Limitations

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act does not invalidate or restrict any right or remedy of any consumer under any other federal law, nor does the Act supersede the Federal Trade Commission Act as it pertains to antitrust actions.
The Act does not invalidate or restrict any right or remedy of any consumer under state law. The Act is not the dominant regulation of consumer product warranties, and while it prescribes certain disclosures and restricts certain limitations on warranties, it leaves other warranty law untouched.[4]
Although the Act covers warranties on repair or replacement parts in consumer products, warranties on services for repairs are not covered.
The federal minimum standards for full warranties are waived if the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance.

[edit] Remedies under the Act

The Act is meant to provide consumers with access to reasonable and effective remedies where there is a breach of warranty on a consumer product. The Act provides for informal dispute-settlement procedures and for actions brought by the government and by private parties.
The FTC has been mandated by Congress to promulgate rules to encourage the use of alternative dispute resolution, and full warranties may require mediation and/or arbitration as a first step toward settling disputes.
In addition, the federal government has the authority to take injunctive action against a supplier or warrantor who fails to meet the requirements of the act.
Finally, consumers may seek redress in the courts for alleged violations of the Magnuson-Moss Act. A consumer who has been injured by the noncompliance of a supplier may bring an action in state court if the amount in controversy is between $25 and $50,000, or a class action in state court if the number of class plaintiffs is less than 100. If the jurisdictional amount, or number of plaintiffs, exceed these limits, such an action may be brought in federal district court.[5] Moreover, one of the key aids to the effectiveness of the Act is that a prevailing plaintiff may recover reasonable costs of suit, including attorney fees.[6]

C300Sport

Thanks for adding some "official" info Spool. If you perform a Cat Back modification, you will not affect your warranty on engine, etc. Obviously, if you install an x-pipe or something like that and then get a leak or hanger issue somewhere in the rear of your system, the dealer could possibly claim the work you had done may have caused the issue....maybe, but doubtful.

BenTrovato

Any modification you do does not void the warranty simply in the modification itself. When you do a modification and a component fails, the responsibility falls on MB to prove that the modification you did caused a malfunction and thus the responsibility shifts to you.

Catbacks are simple, because IF the work was performed properly by competent technicians, there is not much room for MB to come back and not cover the rest of the car and thus it has become an acceptable modification. If you were to install a supercharger, it now becomes very simple for MB to say the warranty is voided because the car was designed to handle so much force into the engine, and you went and increased it. The extra power also put more stresses on other areas of the car which were not designed to be handled by the warranty. Make sense?