New Daily Wheels Beware Non Standard Offset!!!
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This thread is hilarious. Everyone is getting so wound up over what someone else is doing. Either you like it or you don't, simple as that. What someone else does is their business, you don't need to do it. Everyone has their own style, you may not like it, but they sure as hell do and probably a few others. No reason to go on the offensive on either side! I don't think anyone should have to defend what they do on their car. If you like it, great, if you don't, move on.
On that note, what is the difference between VIP and VIP-inspired? We are really getting down to the details now aren't we? I thought anything with large wheels, cambered, and tucked is considered VIP. Enlighten me.
On that note, what is the difference between VIP and VIP-inspired? We are really getting down to the details now aren't we? I thought anything with large wheels, cambered, and tucked is considered VIP. Enlighten me.
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This is getting to be my favorite thread....guess I am masochistic...
I have to admit that although I don't like the look of most of the VIP cars, a small number of them actually look kinda cool. For the most part, these cars are trailer queens and that is what the owner wants...I would hope they wouldn't need to drive them cross country or for their daily grind, but I doubt many of the extreme versions will ever be subjected to that.
I do wonder how the extra stress/torsion on the suspension and body will affect the car's structure for the long term.
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This is getting to be my favorite thread....guess I am masochistic...
I have to admit that although I don't like the look of most of the VIP cars, a small number of them actually look kinda cool. For the most part, these cars are trailer queens and that is what the owner wants...I would hope they wouldn't need to drive them cross country or for their daily grind, but I doubt many of the extreme versions will ever be subjected to that.
I do wonder how the extra stress/torsion on the suspension and body will affect the car's structure for the long term.
Nissan Cima, President, Cedric, Gloria, and Fuga. With the USDM counterparts the Infiniti Q45 and Infiniti M35, M45.
Toyota Aristo (Lexus GS), Crown, Century, and Celsior (Lexus LS). The Crown and Century were not available in the states.
Toyota Crown:
Lexus LS (UCF30):
Vip-Inspired is basically anything that isn't consider on the original VIP platforms (previously mentioned ones only). This would include All other RWD sedans, Mercedes, Jaguar, you could even include the big Audi A8s also, even being AWD. Sometimes it would include anything else that is RWD.
VIP-inspired examples:
Toyota Previa:
BMW 728:
It has grown to even the FWD crowds, which will never be truly VIP, but are then considered VIP-styled.
Acura TSX:
Honda Accord (perhaps the nicest looking Accord ever...imo):
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Honda Accord (perhaps the nicest looking Accord ever...imo):
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...cles/bagtl.jpg
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My biggest grip is that I feel VIP should stay strictly amongst the big body Japanese cars. A VIP Inspired Benz?
It's as though an excuse to throw on stretched tires and label yourself "VIP Inspired".I am no one to tell anyone how their car should look but I feel no wrong in stating my personal perspective on a subject. I am open to anyone criticizing me.
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See, it just seems odd to me that it'd be classified as VIP inspired because it isn't a big body Japanese car. It's like calling a car rice because it has a big muffler and a big wing on it or a big body kit with nothing under the hood. That term was inspired by Japanese cars adding those items on their car, but we still call a car 'rice' if it has a big spoiler on the back, etc. even if it is a European or North American car. No one calls it 'rice inspired'. Just my opinion, doesn't really matter lol...seems weird to me it's 'inspired'.
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I think of true VIP as any top of the line luxury car thats slammed with big rims tucked in. Can be Japanese or European, it only looks good on the large cars.
So the baby C class isnt VIP , but a Sclass (new or old) could be.
So the baby C class isnt VIP , but a Sclass (new or old) could be.
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Don't really care what style anyone "rocks," but I have been modifying cars for a very long time and I must say that my European cars are modified for performance and not for car shows. No function, no thanks. I do respect the effort though. BTW, VIP is for wannabe Japanese gangsters. Which is worse?
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Don't really care what style anyone "rocks," but I have been modifying cars for a very long time and I must say that my European cars are modified for performance and not for car shows. No function, no thanks. I do respect the effort though. BTW, VIP is for wannabe Japanese gangsters. Which is worse?
You could say similar ignorant things of people who just modify for speed.
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If you have "never seen a more close-minded statement," although it wasn't close-minded, you may lack serious life experience. Don't have such a thin skin.
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No sh*t. I have had a few show cars myself. That's not the point. He asked for opinions and upon disagreement with his preference for the VIP scene, attacked the folks with mods such as "wannabe quad tips." How is that statement less closed-minded? Did you even read his quote to which I responed? He assumed that people mod cars to win shows by saying, "How do you expect place at a car show with that?" For me, winning shows doesn't matter; eventhough I have won my fair share. Where did I state that Europeans don't have show-only cars? I indicated that I respect the effort as I do any car customizing style.
If you have "never seen a more close-minded statement," although it wasn't close-minded, you may lack serious life experience. Don't have such a thin skin.
Next time come prepared son.
If you have "never seen a more close-minded statement," although it wasn't close-minded, you may lack serious life experience. Don't have such a thin skin.
Next time come prepared son.
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VIP (Very Individualized Punishment) is, fortunately, a trend of youth. Youth are rebellious by a fact of life so anything openly fought by the adult establishment will be their cup of tea.
This works for me since I purchased my C350ELE tenorite gray to pass unnoticed among the blend of universal shaped sedans in large cities or high crime areas.
This works for me since I purchased my C350ELE tenorite gray to pass unnoticed among the blend of universal shaped sedans in large cities or high crime areas.
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You've actually identified the key point here!! "Ruined" is not the opposite of "stylish" for many of us. "Ruined" is the opposite of "good performance/works well". Lots of things with motors and wheels can "still drive/run". A Mercedes is for excellence in the driving, not just the minimum ability to move.
If this is all about looks, there are as many opinions as people. But, objectively, this is a deterioration to the performance of the automobile, and that's enough for some of us to make it unacceptable. The mystery is why anyone thinks something which deteriorates the performance of the vehicle this severely could also be seen as "stylish".
If this is all about looks, there are as many opinions as people. But, objectively, this is a deterioration to the performance of the automobile, and that's enough for some of us to make it unacceptable. The mystery is why anyone thinks something which deteriorates the performance of the vehicle this severely could also be seen as "stylish".
There's an old saying, from before the turn of the 20th century: form follows function. It other words, a part's good looks are based on being designed as best as possible to do the job it was assigned. So, good looks, even beauty, was drawn from it's function, and only changed and refined with it's function in mind.
There have always been two general groups in the car scene: those people who recognize and refine the part's function (function could be rolling stock, or suspension, or an area that houses a functioning part), and those people who tack stuff on the outside of function, even get in the way of function, in the name of "beauty". Tack stuff on..........hmmm, tacky?
So it's a matter of recognizing refinement, and enjoying how that can be presented, or tacking stuff on with no regard to function, and calling it cool. To me, this means the difference between a car that's been engineered for function, and a circus wagon/carny ride.
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