Mtl20v

1. what a joke

xXHotelCrazyXx

Actually some radar guns are capable of determining speed while in motion. It can calculate the speed of the patrol car moving in one direction, while calculating the speed of the oncoming vehicle.

Scat01

What a shame...

Mtl20v

it is a shame

LawRens

'tis but a shame

Mtl20v

a shame... it is

Junk151

Es un shame

alexlev

Shame, isn't it?

boschk

Never plead guilty to something that you're confident that you didn't do on principle. That's what poosies do IMHO.

Also, when a cop asks you what you do for a living, don't say a word. It's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I never answer those types of irrelevant questions. "Where you coming from?, Where you going? etc... all get the same answer, "I'm I free to go officer?" They hate it, but my rights > than their right to feel spited.

Scat01

The shame is this generation is sooo F'd up and it starts with the common lack of respect (for everything and everyone) as you so clearly demonstrate. I hope you get pulled over, disrespect an officer, get jailed for the evening, and have your ahole violated...a shame that would be...haha not.

Ron Jr

Go to court with clear pics of the posted limit and this will get it thrown out, at least in NY. I had a ticket thrown out because the officer wrote that my car was black and that model Chysler did not come in black just a dark grey. And yes at night it looks black but my registration clearly said grey. Any mistake however minor on a ticket questions the validity of the whole ticket.

And yes you should always give respect to a police officer even if he is acting like an a$$. Yes Sir, No Sir and so on.

Mikegpr03

I don't know what court you go to but I take all my certifications to court. Also I'd advise you counselor to be that not all cops are bad just like all Lawyers are not for lack of a better word "like you". Please don't undermine my fellow brothers and sisters who risk their life everyday to protect you and everyone else.

Mikegpr03

All that is required to bring
Is my certification ( I also go a step further and bring the certification on the machine that calibrates the radar and or laser ) my log book and my citation.

IGB

Don't even think about it. Their offers are predicated on 2 different charges. One LARGE charge that is non-refundable, and one small charge that is refundable if you lose... At the end of the day, all they are doing is sending you the forms (which you can print from the court website) and after you completely fill them out, you mail the forms to the agency and they mail them to the court on your behalf... So you basically end paying in upwards of $250 for a postage stamp that you can get at the post office for $0.50.

If you were cited for 90 in 70, then my guess is that you were cited for CVC 22356, in violation of the maximum statutory speed limit. There are no defenses for that type of citation. And aside from the officer not appearing at trial, your potential for a dismissal are somewhere between slim and none, and slim has left the building a long time ago!

Instead, go to your arraignment, request a fine reduction and take the traffic school option if you're eligible, if not, and assuming this will be the only point on your record, you're not likely to see that big an increase in your insurance premium.

SORRY FOR THE THREAD-JACK!

IGB

They are often "approved" by a certain unknown and unheard of lawyer who (my guess) gets a cut out of every case they receive!

Think of it this way, why would any licensed attorney choose to go the route of defending traffic citations as a "specialty" when in fact, the same amount of time can be spent on a criminal case, all while charging a higher hourly rate.

Yes, you may find the occasional attorney who will take on a traffic case, but when it comes down to it, and once you are able to establish the rate they are charging, you'll find that the defendant is either close to a suspension (and has little or no option but to pay the higher legal fees to an attorney), or that he was charged with an additional criminal charge that was somehow combined with a traffic ticket!

Sportstick

I haven't had a "roadside meeting" with your brethren in many years. Thank you for your service.

RLE

All radar units mounted inside have always had this function.

Mikegpr03

Lol thank you sir. I allways make it a point to give breaks we are all human and can have a bad day. Funny I think out of 10 stops I might give 2 citations and the rest warnings. I make it a point to treat people like I would like my family treated. This Badge is not a permit to mistreat anyone. It's an obligaition to make sure you take care of the public since they are trusting you to do so.
I'm nice until I can't be nice anymore.

Mikegpr03

That's moving radar..
I rather use a laser. you must be stationary tho.

Mikegpr03

Don't speed on my highway lololol!

encoder

You'd be surprised, Scat.

The ticket book, proof of calibration, etc, can all be included in a simple motion for discovery. I've had a lot of luck filing that simple motion w/ the clerk. When the prosecutor gets it, they've got better things to do w/ their time.

One step further, if it's radar based, they also need calibration records for the tuning fork used to calibrate the gun.

I don't know if he's in law school or not, but you were wrong to hate here i think.

Scat01

It was more about getting the cop suspended, getting the girl out of a ticket and "getting" the girl that night..blah blah...That and the clear disrepect for law enforcement in his tone "after cop gives BS speech, etc" that resulted in my reply.

I have close relatives and good friends that are officers, local and state, and I cannot stand the new age punk attitude towards officers - I think it is sickening.

ergon

[QUOTE=TanMan350;4846978]You're in FL. I would def fight it. I've gotten 3 tix dismissed in the last 6 months from Fort Lauderdale a**hole cops. When they give me a speeding ticket, I just shut my mouth and move on waiting to go to court....

When I do there are a certain amount of things the cop has to bring to court to verify your speeding: 1)Receipt from T-40 laser 2) his ticket book 3) proof that he has reccaliberate his laser gun within the last 6 months. 99% of the time the cop won't have the 3rd requirement because the defendant (us people) never request the documents from the cop. Florida law required cops to reccaliberate their guns every 6 months to keep with accuracy.

After the cop gives his simple little BS speech, I go step by step under what he needs to have with them. I ask for the receipt from the laser (which they usually have), then ask to see if they have their ticket book (got one dismissed because he forgot it) and then I will ask if he had his gun calibrated within the last 6 months and they will usually in a di**head move say yes and then I ask him to provide documents supporting his claim. When he says he does not have the documents on hand, make a motion to the judge to dismiss your case based on the fact that the state witness (cop) has not provided evidence showing his gun was calibrated correctly within the last 6 months.

Judge will look at you, look at the cop, then say dismissed....

I'm in law school and I still have more tricks up my sleeve just in case this doesn't work. I've actually had people pat me on the back when I've left the court room...

Cops are asses.... but if you know the law, you can basically get away with anything.... especially when cops don't even know their own legal obligations...


I got one cop suspended for lying to the court because I found out he was using 2 separate ticket books to issue traffic citations which is illegal. Under law, they are only allowed to pull over citizens within a 'reasonable' time frame... and by some chance, a cute girl I was hitting on in court had a ticket issued by the same a**hole cop only 3 minutes after my citation and the serial numbers were not in order (meaning he used a different record). When he lied to the judge and I called him out on the book, it was like a movie moment... Long story short, I got her ticket and mine dismissed and had a nice date later that evening....

Moral of the stories: Learn your state laws because most of the cops don't know them.[/QUOTE ]

One thing you left out. The equipment has to be certified, as you said, but so does the officer. He has to carry with him a certification card for the specific unit he is operating and it has to be up to date.

ergon

[QUOTE=TanMan350;4846978]You're in FL. I would def fight it. I've gotten 3 tix dismissed in the last 6 months from Fort Lauderdale a**hole cops. When they give me a speeding ticket, I just shut my mouth and move on waiting to go to court....

When I do there are a certain amount of things the cop has to bring to court to verify your speeding: 1)Receipt from T-40 laser 2) his ticket book 3) proof that he has reccaliberate his laser gun within the last 6 months. 99% of the time the cop won't have the 3rd requirement because the defendant (us people) never request the documents from the cop. Florida law required cops to reccaliberate their guns every 6 months to keep with accuracy.

After the cop gives his simple little BS speech, I go step by step under what he needs to have with them. I ask for the receipt from the laser (which they usually have), then ask to see if they have their ticket book (got one dismissed because he forgot it) and then I will ask if he had his gun calibrated within the last 6 months and they will usually in a di**head move say yes and then I ask him to provide documents supporting his claim. When he says he does not have the documents on hand, make a motion to the judge to dismiss your case based on the fact that the state witness (cop) has not provided evidence showing his gun was calibrated correctly within the last 6 months.

Judge will look at you, look at the cop, then say dismissed....

I'm in law school and I still have more tricks up my sleeve just in case this doesn't work. I've actually had people pat me on the back when I've left the court room...

Cops are asses.... but if you know the law, you can basically get away with anything.... especially when cops don't even know their own legal obligations...


I got one cop suspended for lying to the court because I found out he was using 2 separate ticket books to issue traffic citations which is illegal. Under law, they are only allowed to pull over citizens within a 'reasonable' time frame... and by some chance, a cute girl I was hitting on in court had a ticket issued by the same a**hole cop only 3 minutes after my citation and the serial numbers were not in order (meaning he used a different record). When he lied to the judge and I called him out on the book, it was like a movie moment... Long story short, I got her ticket and mine dismissed and had a nice date later that evening....

Moral of the stories: Learn your state laws because most of the cops don't know them.[/QUOTE ]

One thing you left out. The equipment has to be certified, as you said, but so does the officer. He has to carry with him his certification card and it has to be up to date. Don't run your mouth and get cited for POP. There are asses on both sides.

RLE

I think you have it backwards. There is a daily record of calibrating the radar gun with the tuning fork and there is a specified procedure for this.

A friend was ticketed by an officer on the opposite side of the road standing outside his open driver's door aiming across the roof. The ticket was dismissed because when asked how he calibrated the gun that day, he said he tapped the tuning fork on the door frame when in fact it is to be struck on the heel of his shoe. The other thing was that sighting across the roof introduces error because the engine was running causing roof vibration.

Des Moines WA PD issued the ticket.

My friend has mended his ways after getting the BIG ticket after cresting a rise while slowing through 120mph and meeting a WSP Trooper coming the other way. Driving his red Porsche 911 that day didn't help much.