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12-28-2011, 07:12 PM
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Why not? With a lease you can do whatever you want to the car, as long as you either a) Buy it at the end of the lease b) Sell the car or trade it in before the end of the lease or c) take the stuff off before you turn it in. I traded in a leased 2011 BMW 128i with mods on it on the 2012 C and had no issues, my payoff was less than the trade-in value of the car, so it worked out great.
12-28-2011, 07:15 PM
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Yup. You can't go hog wild though. When I worked for BMW we had a guy swap turbos and intercoolers on his 335 and expect us to do warranty work on the car. The service writer looked at him and said... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
12-28-2011, 07:32 PM
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That guy really destroyed the sh*t out of that 335. lol
Do you have a exhaust on your C?
12-28-2011, 09:07 PM
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if a service writer laughed to my face, I'd call up his manager, the GM of the dealership, etc. that's no way to treat a customer. even if it's just a 3-series.
Renntech is NOT warrantied by Mercedes. where did you get that from? Mercedes would be dumb to warranty any third party company's work on their cars. if you think it's like Dinan and BMW, Dinan is not warrantied by BMW either.
12-28-2011, 10:43 PM
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what kind of warranty work? he can reasonably expect warranty service under the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.
if a service writer laughed to my face, I'd call up his manager, the GM of the dealership, etc. that's no way to treat a customer. even if it's just a 3-series.
Renntech is NOT warrantied by Mercedes. where did you get that from? Mercedes would be dumb to warranty any third party company's work on their cars. if you think it's like Dinan and BMW, Dinan is not warrantied by BMW either.
if a service writer laughed to my face, I'd call up his manager, the GM of the dealership, etc. that's no way to treat a customer. even if it's just a 3-series.
Renntech is NOT warrantied by Mercedes. where did you get that from? Mercedes would be dumb to warranty any third party company's work on their cars. if you think it's like Dinan and BMW, Dinan is not warrantied by BMW either.
12-29-2011, 12:49 AM
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Well my dealer is a Renntech dealer and they've done service work on my cousins E Class. I think it was something that the navigation system did work but the replaced it or fixed it. My local dealer took there car in for a few days and sent out the ECU to renntech. They got the ECU back retuned and a exhaust put on it.
This is the Renntech warranty: http://www.renntechmercedes.com/www/...s_warranty.pdf
It's independent from Mercedes-Benz.
Your dealer was working as a Renntech installer, like a third party shop. The navigation system has nothing to do with any Renntech work, so of course they'll fix it.
12-29-2011, 10:18 AM
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The guy wanted us to clean out the aftermarket wastegates and clean the carbon off the cylinders. And he was a douche about it. Swearing at the service writer after the the SW told him that the tech had to take off the head to see what the issue was, not a very good idea. The guy was upset that we took his engine apart after he told us to "just fix the car."
12-29-2011, 12:06 PM
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"Although the Act covers warranties on repair or replacement parts in consumer products, warranties on services for repairs are not covered"
The act simply allows owners to do their own maintenance, using equal quality or mandated-design (fleese filters) products.
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12-29-2011, 01:25 PM
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As he should have. Renntech provides a limeted warranty, as linked above. Before someone claims "Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act" they should read it. For instance:
"Although the Act covers warranties on repair or replacement parts in consumer products, warranties on services for repairs are not covered"
The act simply allows owners to do their own maintenance, using equal quality or mandated-design (fleese filters) products.
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"Although the Act covers warranties on repair or replacement parts in consumer products, warranties on services for repairs are not covered"
The act simply allows owners to do their own maintenance, using equal quality or mandated-design (fleese filters) products.
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Let me try to explain mods and warranties in logical layman's term. I'm sure that some will come up with all sorts of nebulous arguments but they are not real world.
1. The oft misquoted MM act has nothing to do with performance parts. It was enacted to keep manufacturers from requiring the use of a specific brand of replacement part in order to keep the warranty intact.
Accordingly, the use of a "substantially similar" replacement is OK and the manufacturer must show that the "substantially similar" part caused the failure if they refuse warranty service for that failure.
In practical terms, this means that you can substitute a Osram H7 bulb for the Bosch H7 that the car originally came with.
2. Let's look at performance parts for a moment. By definition, performance parts are not "substantially similar" as they are intended to alter the performance characteristics of a system. Based upon this, performance parts fall outside the scope of the MM act.
In order to refuse warranty service for a failure, the manufacturer (legally) merely needs to show that a part that is not "substantially similar" was used and that this part could have caused the failure. At this point, the burden of proof shifts to the consumer to prove that the part did not cause the failure.
Going back to out lightbulb example, if you have an electrical failure and you've replaced your 55w bulbs with 85w "hyperwhites" or LED's then the dealer is under an obligation to the manufacturer to refuse warranty service on the failure if they believe that the performance bulbs caused the failure.
Simple - right?
Now, let's talk warranty a moment.
3. The term "void the warranty" is often bandied about by both consumers and dealers alike.
Very few things will actually "void the warranty." This was alluded to by other posters but not fully explained. If a car is so badly abused, or modded to the point where virtually every system failure can be traced back to a mod, then the manufacturer can "void the warranty." A flood damaged car or one that was in a severe accident might also be a candidate for the manufacturer to void the warranty on the entire car.
Mitsubishi voided the warranty on a bunch of cars that they saw were used at racetracks.
What is commonly referred to as "voiding the warranty" actually refers to a dealer refusing warranty service on a particular service.
Quite simply, if a dealer believes that a modification, chip, performance part, abuse or whatnot caused (or substantially contributed) to a failure, then he has an obligation to the manufacturer to refuse warranty service on that failure.
Accordingly, using our lighting example again, the dealer could refuse warranty service on any electrical failure. This could actually extend to ECUs or the entire electrical system.
Farfetched? Not really. A few years back a guy on VWVortex decided to paint his sidemarker bulbs silver on his brand new Jetta.
The bulb heated up, melted the paint and dripped into the housing. The housing melted and shorted out parts of the wiring loom. Since the Jetta uses a CAN-BUS, the whole thing needed replacement. $2500 later the car was on the road again.
4. Why doesn't the dealer give the customer the benefit of the doubt? The manufacturer often asks for parts back to determine the cause of the failure. They are extremely vigilant for failures that often are seen on modded cars.
Fell free to argue until you're blue in the face - but - like it or not, the above is the way it is.
You can always find a lawyer who will argue a different viewpoint, but that doesn't mean it is right.
So, what is the bottom line?
ANY mod may cause warranty woes. Consider ALL the implications of any mod you are contemplating and be mentally and monetarily prepared to pay for the consequences.
Read your owner's manual carefully. It specifically warns against engine (ECU) and suspension mods as examples of mods that will cause problems.
Feel free to mod away, but remember that you might have to pay to play. The other posters who say "just do it" aren't the ones that will have to foot the bill.
As a clarification - there is some heated discussion about the manufacturer's burden of proof regarding the use of "performance parts" but the bottom line remains the same.
In addition, if the manufacturer allows a case to go to court then there is a good bet that he has sufficient evidence to back up their claim.
12-29-2011, 02:12 PM
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The guy wanted us to clean out the aftermarket wastegates and clean the carbon off the cylinders. And he was a douche about it. Swearing at the service writer after the the SW told him that the tech had to take off the head to see what the issue was, not a very good idea. The guy was upset that we took his engine apart after he told us to "just fix the car."
12-29-2011, 02:17 PM
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As he should have. Renntech provides a limeted warranty, as linked above. Before someone claims "Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act" they should read it. For instance:
"Although the Act covers warranties on repair or replacement parts in consumer products, warranties on services for repairs are not covered"
The act simply allows owners to do their own maintenance, using equal quality or mandated-design (fleese filters) products.
.
"Although the Act covers warranties on repair or replacement parts in consumer products, warranties on services for repairs are not covered"
The act simply allows owners to do their own maintenance, using equal quality or mandated-design (fleese filters) products.
.
12-29-2011, 04:42 PM
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Ok back on topic... Any update to the tune? HP + TQ #'s?
Side note: I wish renntech or some company could make a rear diffuser to to match/fit the CLK550 rear muffler. I don't care for the quad look since this is not a c63, but the single oval muffler we have looks terrible. The dual oval muffler tips on the older CLK550/CLK55 would look really nice on the back of the c250.
Side note: I wish renntech or some company could make a rear diffuser to to match/fit the CLK550 rear muffler. I don't care for the quad look since this is not a c63, but the single oval muffler we have looks terrible. The dual oval muffler tips on the older CLK550/CLK55 would look really nice on the back of the c250.
12-30-2011, 12:39 PM
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I think I was unclear. If the guy wanted an oil change or his brakes changed, that is part of the BMW maintenance plan, then they should give him service. However, if it's anything extra that would have to be covered under warranty, like what he asked for, then of course no service.
12-30-2011, 12:45 PM
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Ok back on topic... Any update to the tune? HP + TQ #'s?
Side note: I wish renntech or some company could make a rear diffuser to to match/fit the CLK550 rear muffler. I don't care for the quad look since this is not a c63, but the single oval muffler we have looks terrible. The dual oval muffler tips on the older CLK550/CLK55 would look really nice on the back of the c250.
Side note: I wish renntech or some company could make a rear diffuser to to match/fit the CLK550 rear muffler. I don't care for the quad look since this is not a c63, but the single oval muffler we have looks terrible. The dual oval muffler tips on the older CLK550/CLK55 would look really nice on the back of the c250.
01-09-2012, 03:30 PM
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No news yet dudes and dudets, sorry for the delay, as soon as I have some info I'll let ya'll know.
01-20-2012, 01:51 PM
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Quick question... Why buy a C250 and then send it to RennTech for modification? The amount of money it would cost to get "suboptimal" gains would put you well into the territory of a C350, heck, probably close to the C63 as well... So - WHY?
However, I am intrigued by this, would be cool to know how much power RennTech can make out of the little bugger. I'm sure that if they make headway, others can learn from it and you will see other companies offer packages and upgrades!
As far as AZNOptics go, it was pretty much a startup from a fellow Forum member here on the boards (AZNC300). So he has always taken care of fellow forum members and W204 owners. The warranty has been awesome, and the products have been second to NONE IMO. The research and time Mike put into developing these products has really paid off. You KNOW its going to work when you get it. The LEDs have resistors pre-installed so you don't get flickering or light-out messages, and the HID kits have error cancelers BUILT-IN. So it really gives you peace of mind!
However, I am intrigued by this, would be cool to know how much power RennTech can make out of the little bugger. I'm sure that if they make headway, others can learn from it and you will see other companies offer packages and upgrades!
As far as AZNOptics go, it was pretty much a startup from a fellow Forum member here on the boards (AZNC300). So he has always taken care of fellow forum members and W204 owners. The warranty has been awesome, and the products have been second to NONE IMO. The research and time Mike put into developing these products has really paid off. You KNOW its going to work when you get it. The LEDs have resistors pre-installed so you don't get flickering or light-out messages, and the HID kits have error cancelers BUILT-IN. So it really gives you peace of mind!
01-20-2012, 07:50 PM
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Update Time. I don't have the car yet, which blows goats. However, just got off the phone with the engineers, they say power should be up by 35-40 hp and 50lbs/ft of torque. Super stoaked.
01-20-2012, 07:57 PM
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01-20-2012, 09:37 PM
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Congrats! Any dynos they will provide you to post? Love to see them. Did they say what they will charge for the programming? Do they need to open the box or are they uploading via OBDII? Are they offering the ability to reset the flash counter and flash dates/shop code back to OEM specs in their flash so it is dealer undetectable? Sorry for all the questions but i'm excited.
cheers! Mike
01-21-2012, 11:00 AM
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Im hoping the cost is reasonable and the info on the tradeoffs is available like impact to drivability etc if there are any.
Since the bump in horsepower will only allow me to possibly move up in terms of speed to the level of a scion tc or civic.
Since the bump in horsepower will only allow me to possibly move up in terms of speed to the level of a scion tc or civic.
