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MDMG - No Royal Purple crap or similar. Only 229.5 approved oils but I know you will do that. Mobil 1 Euro formulation 0W-40 is excellent but so are other approved products. Benz has extreme HTHS requirements for cam & tappet protection. Not using 229.5 approved products invalidates warranty.
The filter is removable element & not spin on cartridge. We might have a terminology issue here.
One problem here. 229.5 products retard run-in severely. The Shell product in your engine is designed for the run-in period. These cars have chamferred MOS2 coated rings running in Alusil bores. They are hell to break in & changing early can lead to you having an oil burner for life.
If you decide to do an early change to 229.5 oils please only do this if you intend driving the car hard to ensure proper break in.
It's your choice. I'm not going to argue with you. Just be aware of the above. It is absolutely safe to adopt Benz recommended change interval or 1 year changes.
The filter is removable element & not spin on cartridge. We might have a terminology issue here.
One problem here. 229.5 products retard run-in severely. The Shell product in your engine is designed for the run-in period. These cars have chamferred MOS2 coated rings running in Alusil bores. They are hell to break in & changing early can lead to you having an oil burner for life.
If you decide to do an early change to 229.5 oils please only do this if you intend driving the car hard to ensure proper break in.
It's your choice. I'm not going to argue with you. Just be aware of the above. It is absolutely safe to adopt Benz recommended change interval or 1 year changes.
Also, I saw this come up earlier in the thread. How an oil "looks" has no bearing on whether it should be changed or not. Modern oils should turn black quickly as the detergents do their job. I'd be worried if it didn't.
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This is the best advice you will get. I'm not sure why so many people continue to believe they know better than the people who designed, developed, engineered and then relentlessly tested these cars.
Also, I saw this come up earlier in the thread. How an oil "looks" has no bearing on whether it should be changed or not. Modern oils should turn black quickly as the detergents do their job. I'd be worried if it didn't.
Also, I saw this come up earlier in the thread. How an oil "looks" has no bearing on whether it should be changed or not. Modern oils should turn black quickly as the detergents do their job. I'd be worried if it didn't.
How an oil looks (and smells) does have a bearing of how good of a job it is doing. We're talking about a 3,500 mile old engine here - so there is (hopefully) not as much for the detergents to be doing with it at this point.
I'm glad this thread has taken on a life of its own - it's probably helped a few people out. Glyn - thank you for answering my question regarding the filter - I am going to head to the dealer to get a filter this week and pick up some Mobil1 (my preference in oil) - I definitely drive the car hard so I am not as concerned about running it in with a 229.5 product. I'll run it a bit longer per your suggestion though - but there's no way I can stomach 10K personally.
$45K is too much money to not give it some cheap insurance in my book, and while I'm 29 - I'm still too old school to run the intervals.
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Responses like this are a double edged sword that assume far too much about people. Regardless of what the manufacturer says, they do not base their recommendations on all driving styles and conditions. They also assume the people who are making the statement don't have a significant engineering background themselves and don't know what they are talking about.
How an oil looks (and smells) does have a bearing of how good of a job it is doing. We're talking about a 3,500 mile old engine here - so there is (hopefully) not as much for the detergents to be doing with it at this point.
I'm glad this thread has taken on a life of its own - it's probably helped a few people out. Glyn - thank you for answering my question regarding the filter - I am going to head to the dealer to get a filter this week and pick up some Mobil1 (my preference in oil) - I definitely drive the car hard so I am not as concerned about running it in with a 229.5 product. I'll run it a bit longer per your suggestion though - but there's no way I can stomach 10K personally.
$45K is too much money to not give it some cheap insurance in my book, and while I'm 29 - I'm still too old school to run the intervals.
How an oil looks (and smells) does have a bearing of how good of a job it is doing. We're talking about a 3,500 mile old engine here - so there is (hopefully) not as much for the detergents to be doing with it at this point.
I'm glad this thread has taken on a life of its own - it's probably helped a few people out. Glyn - thank you for answering my question regarding the filter - I am going to head to the dealer to get a filter this week and pick up some Mobil1 (my preference in oil) - I definitely drive the car hard so I am not as concerned about running it in with a 229.5 product. I'll run it a bit longer per your suggestion though - but there's no way I can stomach 10K personally.
$45K is too much money to not give it some cheap insurance in my book, and while I'm 29 - I'm still too old school to run the intervals.
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Actually that's a point worth calling out. In the "old day" cars didn't have so much oil. My 1967 Buick Electra 225 holds 4qts of oil. So that oils is being asked to do a lot more than a car with twice as much oil.
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This and that.
How many litres of oil does this car take? Also, can you post a link of what a decent oil filter is for these cars? Also for oil I am thinking Mobil 1 synthetic, is that good?
I am not planning to take it to the dealer as they quoted me $250 for just an oil change which seems absolutely ridiculous. So I want to buy my own oil/filter and take it to some shop and get it changed.
Thanks
I am not planning to take it to the dealer as they quoted me $250 for just an oil change which seems absolutely ridiculous. So I want to buy my own oil/filter and take it to some shop and get it changed.
Thanks
Anyone???
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I believe it takes 8.5 liters of oil. The OEM filter is Mann+Hummel (link below). Mobil 1 Synthetic 0W-40 is the factory fill for our vehicles and the OEM brand, though any oil on Mercedes' approved oils list should do.
You should invest in an oil extractor (maybe around $40-70). They're reusable and will be cost effective after a few oil changes.
You should invest in an oil extractor (maybe around $40-70). They're reusable and will be cost effective after a few oil changes.
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This should help:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...-pictures.html
With Mercedes, the method of choice when changing oil is to use an extractor and pump the oil out from the hood of the car and that is what the dealer will do as well.
https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...-pictures.html
With Mercedes, the method of choice when changing oil is to use an extractor and pump the oil out from the hood of the car and that is what the dealer will do as well.
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This and that.
I don't think I will be changing the oil myself, doubt i can do that. So was thinking of getting the material together and going to some shop.
The dealer quoted me $200-$250 for a simple oil change. I have Service B due soon and they said $700 for that! I am thinking just change the oil and reset the meter and be done with that.
The dealer quoted me $200-$250 for a simple oil change. I have Service B due soon and they said $700 for that! I am thinking just change the oil and reset the meter and be done with that.
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I believe it takes 8.5 liters of oil. The OEM filter is Mann+Hummel (link below). Mobil 1 Synthetic 0W-40 is the factory fill for our vehicles and the OEM brand, though any oil on Mercedes' approved oils list should do.
You should invest in an oil extractor (maybe around $40-70). They're reusable and will be cost effective after a few oil changes.
http://www.amazon.com/Mann-Filter-HU...2008&carId=004
You should invest in an oil extractor (maybe around $40-70). They're reusable and will be cost effective after a few oil changes.
http://www.amazon.com/Mann-Filter-HU...2008&carId=004
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does the 2011 C250 use the same filter as the 2012?
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Please only use a fleece filter by Mann + Hummel. It is available in their own box. MB Genuine packaging or repacked for Bosch & K&N. This is what it looks like.
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This is not the correct filter for the M271 EVO. The engine also takes only about 5.5 liters. The factory M271 filter is a non fleece for the M271.
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amazon says it does not fit but sites in europe and australia is listing it to be the one for 2012 C180, c200, c250 cgi blue efficiency. Mann model HU514x
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correct me if wrong, but is this the proper one?
http://www.amazon.com/Mann-Filter-HU...eywords=HU514x
amazon says it does not fit but sites in europe and australia is listing it to be the one for 2012 C180, c200, c250 cgi blue efficiency. Mann model HU514x
http://www.amazon.com/Mann-Filter-HU...eywords=HU514x
amazon says it does not fit but sites in europe and australia is listing it to be the one for 2012 C180, c200, c250 cgi blue efficiency. Mann model HU514x
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In SA we have fleece filters available for M271 EVO and all previous M271. Only US dumped M271 fleece for paper on pre EVO ~ real dumb!
Indeed the capacity is 5.8 US qts. Not bad by today's standards for a 4 banger. Yes ~ on a turbo engine I might have increased that.
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I'm well aware of that. I was just showing what the blown polyester looks like. The filter shown is for V6.
In SA we have fleece filters available for M271 EVO and all previous M271. Only US dumped M271 fleece for paper on pre EVO ~ real dumb!
Indeed the capacity is 5.8 US qts. Not bad by today's standards for a 4 banger. Yes ~ on a turbo engine I might have increased that.
In SA we have fleece filters available for M271 EVO and all previous M271. Only US dumped M271 fleece for paper on pre EVO ~ real dumb!
Indeed the capacity is 5.8 US qts. Not bad by today's standards for a 4 banger. Yes ~ on a turbo engine I might have increased that.
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Yes - on reflection I'm sorry I might have inadvertently caused confusion. I merely wanted to show what the fleece material looked like vs paper. I prefer the fleece filter knowing it's capabilities but in fairness US has reduced drain interval to 10K from 13K. It still confounds me that the fleece filter was withdrawn from the US market for M271.
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Yes - on reflection I'm sorry I might have inadvertently caused confusion. I merely wanted to show what the fleece material looked like vs paper. I prefer the fleece filter knowing it's capabilities but in fairness US has reduced drain interval to 10K from 13K. It still confounds me that the fleece filter was withdrawn from the US market for M271.
- Material cost reduction for non-fleece filter in original production
- Need to have replacement part match original filter
- Shift cost to owner by reducing oil change cycle to 10,000 miles
- Maintain parts replacement price from fleece to non-fleece for margin improvement
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Originally Posted by kevink2
Not all Mobil1 oils are the same, and several are not on the 229.5 approved list, usually for too low a valvue of HTHS, among other spec's. Which exact one did you try?
There is no "normal" Mobil1. The most popular / best selling Mobil1 is likely 5W-30 or another XW-30 oil, and those Mobil1's don't pass the MB 229.5 spec and the related ACEA A3 spec.
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I suspect the following MB logic:
- Material cost reduction for non-fleece filter in original production
- Need to have replacement part match original filter
- Shift cost to owner by reducing oil change cycle to 10,000 miles- Maintain parts replacement price from fleece to non-fleece for margin improvement
- Material cost reduction for non-fleece filter in original production
- Need to have replacement part match original filter
- Shift cost to owner by reducing oil change cycle to 10,000 miles- Maintain parts replacement price from fleece to non-fleece for margin improvement
The non-fleese filter could be a "high milage" synthetic fiber blend filter media, like from Mobil1:
Mobil1 high milage filter media
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How does 10K change-cycles shift cost to owner?
The non-fleese filter could be a "high milage" synthetic fiber blend filter media, like from Mobil1:
Mobil1 high milage filter media
.
The non-fleese filter could be a "high milage" synthetic fiber blend filter media, like from Mobil1:
Mobil1 high milage filter media
.
