spyked

I see the W205 will use turbo 4 and turbo 6 engines in the U.S. It seems like they just introduced the M276 for C300/C350. Will the 276 continue in the E class? Or do we think that engine is doomed to be the MB engine that is used to shortest time?

It's basically a Pentastar with DI, right? Is there a reason they put all that money into it and decided to not use it?

tonyteetime

My guess is that they will use them in E class for further distinction from the C class.
So if one don't like the turbo engine options of the C , then move up to the E. Mercedes profit from the up sale.

JaredP

The M276 is in GLKs and SLKs too.

tonyteetime

Right , I forgot about those.

I think 2013 &2014 c300 owner got a sweet deal with having M276 engine in our cars !

spyked

The GLK will lose the M276 as well since the W205 is. Assuming the next GLK will be a C Class like the current one is - W204 = X204. W205 will spawn the X205, right?

I wonder what was wrong with it that they only kept it around for a few years. The M272 and M271 were around forever by comparison.

snowmuch

I think the new 3.0 v6tt will blow the current 3.5 DI v6 out of the water...no point keeping it.

tonyteetime

Done ? I don't think so . I will bet any one $100 us dollar that M276 engine will still be available in 2015 Mercedes line up. Any takers?

WhyAskWhy

In the United States, the new C-Class will launch with a choice of two engines. The C300 will be fitted with a 2.0-liter turbocharged and directed-injected 2.0-liter four-cylinder capable of 235 horsepower and 273 lb-ft of torque, while the up-level C400 will sport a 3.0-liter V6 - also turbocharged and direct-injected - good for 329 horsepower and a stout 354 lb-ft of twist.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/mercedes...lass-2015.html

I'm still getting the 2014 C300 (should be delivered this month):
1) Tuscaloosa has never built a C class before
2) It's a new model year
3) Tuscaloosa in general does not have a great reputation for building reliable products
4) I don't like the nav screen

thenew3

The 2015 GLK will still be X204 so likely retain the M276. Same for 2015 E and SLK.

Most likely the next gen GLK X205, E W213, and SLK will get the new 2.0 and 3.0 TT. So the M276 will still likely be on sale for 2 to 3 more years. Since it went on sale in 2012, that's about a 6 year run, which is about normal.

Glyn M Ruck

Benz has stated that all engines in all models will be turbo by end of 2014.

thenew3

Doesn't that mean they have to spend the $$ to re-certify a few models that will be replaced in a year or two in the US?
I thought it cost millions to certify a chassis with a new drive train?

Glyn M Ruck

The new engines will have to be homologated in the US. As Benz sells a restricted range in the US they are probably OK doing it.

This statement is in the Mercedes Benz Magazine that we all get as owners in South Africa.

thenew3

Don't get me wrong Glyn, I believe what you are saying.

It just doesn't make financial sense to spend the money to re-certify a new drive train in the GLK that will likely be replaced in a year, and the E class in a couple of years.

Maybe standardizing to fewer engines saves them more in the long run than the cost of re-certifying.

Glyn M Ruck

The new E Class (facelifted) already has the Turbo engines in SA. The NA units have been dropped.

This is our engine range. All Turbo.

E200

E250

E250 CDI

E300 BlueTEC Hybrid

E350 BlueTEC

E400

E500

E63 AMG

E63 AMG S

JaredP

E63s are 5.5L TT V8s, E400s are 3L TT V6, what is the E500?

Glyn M Ruck

4.7 litre Twin Turbo V8

spyked

I tend to lament the concept of an all FI lineup. I have had turbos in a large portion of my cars...but sometimes you just don't want the hassle of a turbo.

In the U.S., that means you have to buy Japanese, as even the domestics are FI now for the most part.

WhyAskWhy

I've always had a naturally aspirated V6. What is the hassle of a turbo other than turbo lag? With a twin turbo, is the lag noticeable? Are forced induction engines less reliable?

Glyn M Ruck

Forced induction engines are thoroughly reliable these days. The E400 Coupe that I drove has zero lag.

With emissions & fuel consumption being the drivers this is where things will go. Lower capacity FI.

thenew3

I actually prefer FI engines as they give you better low end torque. Most modern FI engines have very little to no lag. and modern turbos are very reliable.
Having more low end torque means your engine doesn't have to work as hard and in theory should make it last longer. not to mention better fuel economy.