c250 rough cold start
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c250 rough cold start
I recently change my HPFP to get rid of the limp mode on when one accelerate hard. About two days later i go to turn the car on in the morning and its ruins really rough almost like it wants to stall for about 45 seconds to a minute then levels itself out. Sometimes it'll make the CEL turn on other times not. When it does turn on it'll be the codes for cylinder misfires 1-4 and also random cylinder misfire. I read it could be the fuel injectors but not sure since it was fine before the pump change. thought it could be a vacuum leak but i haven't been able to find any. While driving if the revs are on about 2000 itll start to misfire a bit but wont run on the CEL. Any ideas as to what this might be would be greatly appreciated.
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C250 rough cold start
I recently change my HPFP to get rid of the limp mode on when one accelerate hard. About two days later i go to turn the car on in the morning and its ruins really rough almost like it wants to stall for about 45 seconds to a minute then levels itself out. Sometimes it'll make the CEL turn on other times not. When it does turn on it'll be the codes for cylinder misfires 1-4 and also random cylinder misfire. I read it could be the fuel injectors but not sure since it was fine before the pump change. thought it could be a vacuum leak but i haven't been able to find any. While driving if the revs are on about 2000 itll start to misfire a bit but wont run on the CEL. Any ideas as to what this might be would be greatly appreciated.
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hot items...
Any fault code current/stored?
How about these items:
- ignition plugs
- timing tensioner
- PCV Crankcase vent
- Oxygen/Lambda upstream sensor
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What is causing rough cold start if the improper LEAN trim mixture forced to your engine by the ECU. What maintenance has been done so far vs. still missing ?
Any fault code current/stored?
How about these items:
Any fault code current/stored?
How about these items:
- ignition plugs
- timing tensioner
- PCV Crankcase vent
- Oxygen/Lambda upstream sensor
Message from service advisor indicating which codes were stored.
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dealership said spark plugs they changed them no change, then they said the injectors are leaking.
It's a bit weird because this only happened after the dealership changed the hpfp before that the car never had issues on start up.
I do know they had to remove the intake manifold to do the hpfp I'm leaning towards a vacuum leak somewhere.
It's a bit weird because this only happened after the dealership changed the hpfp before that the car never had issues on start up.
I do know they had to remove the intake manifold to do the hpfp I'm leaning towards a vacuum leak somewhere.
Everything is screaming: not enough gas!
All Cyl. misfire, O2 is extremely LEAN.
Leave the priceless injectors alone.... All cyl. are affected, not only one.
Take your car somewhere else than where this joke is played upon you. Let us know who these poker face jokers are. Now go to a local indy shop !✌️
God knows if the problem is not with the LPFP or filter starving the HPFP. Concentrate on getting a good fuel supply out of HPFP.
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Great, I think you have all the clues necessary to rewind that problem back to the HPFP. This is what pressurizes the 3000PSI in the injector rail.
Everything is screaming: not enough gas!
All Cyl. misfire, O2 is extremely LEAN.
Leave the priceless injectors alone.... All cyl. are affected, not only one.
Take your car somewhere else than where this joke is played upon you. Let us know who these poker face jokers are. Now go to a local indy shop !✌️
God knows if the problem is not with the LPFP or filter starving the HPFP. Concentrate on getting a good fuel supply out of HPFP.
🤞
Everything is screaming: not enough gas!
All Cyl. misfire, O2 is extremely LEAN.
Leave the priceless injectors alone.... All cyl. are affected, not only one.
Take your car somewhere else than where this joke is played upon you. Let us know who these poker face jokers are. Now go to a local indy shop !✌️
God knows if the problem is not with the LPFP or filter starving the HPFP. Concentrate on getting a good fuel supply out of HPFP.
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The dealership i went to was Autobahn Motors in Belmont, they did say it could possible be the LPFP but its weird it would have all of a sudden fail when i brought the car in for the HPFP.
This only occurs during cold start up or if you leave the car parked for about 8 hours or so.
After the first cold start there is no additional misfire or hesitation during startup.
This only occurs during cold start up or if you leave the car parked for about 8 hours or so.
After the first cold start there is no additional misfire or hesitation during startup.
It sounds like your gas line is draining back empty into the tank. Once air gets in, it foams up with gas until its all gone.
The HPFP fittings need a perfect seal and have to be replaced each time they are disassembled. (Does your engine smell gas by any chance??)
The LPFP brings up gas volume go HPFP. Check the pressure sensor reads before/after cold starts...
Fuel delivery is where your problem is happening! You can ignore everything else.
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Great to hear all this... I went into the Belmont dealership when I was looking at ordering my car. I remember they had a beautiful V12 in the middle of the showroom with a pan full of engine oil under.
It sounds like your gas line is draining back empty into the tank. Once air gets in, it foams up with gas until its all gone.
The HPFP fittings need a perfect seal and have to be replaced each time they are disassembled. (Does your engine smell gas by any chance??)
The LPFP brings up gas volume go HPFP. Check the pressure sensor reads before/after cold starts...
Fuel delivery is where your problem is happening! You can ignore everything else.
It sounds like your gas line is draining back empty into the tank. Once air gets in, it foams up with gas until its all gone.
The HPFP fittings need a perfect seal and have to be replaced each time they are disassembled. (Does your engine smell gas by any chance??)
The LPFP brings up gas volume go HPFP. Check the pressure sensor reads before/after cold starts...
Fuel delivery is where your problem is happening! You can ignore everything else.
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Great to hear all this... I went into the Belmont dealership when I was looking at ordering my car. I remember they had a beautiful V12 in the middle of the showroom with a pan full of engine oil under.
It sounds like your gas line is draining back empty into the tank. Once air gets in, it foams up with gas until its all gone.
The HPFP fittings need a perfect seal and have to be replaced each time they are disassembled. (Does your engine smell gas by any chance??)
The LPFP brings up gas volume go HPFP. Check the pressure sensor reads before/after cold starts...
Fuel delivery is where your problem is happening! You can ignore everything else.
It sounds like your gas line is draining back empty into the tank. Once air gets in, it foams up with gas until its all gone.
The HPFP fittings need a perfect seal and have to be replaced each time they are disassembled. (Does your engine smell gas by any chance??)
The LPFP brings up gas volume go HPFP. Check the pressure sensor reads before/after cold starts...
Fuel delivery is where your problem is happening! You can ignore everything else.
I'll check with a local indy see if they can determine the fuel pressure through a scanner.
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Your modern direct injected car should get fixed in/out 1 shot instead of this ridiculous game of extortion by the factory trained experts.
They screw things up then never fix it ...
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Basically tell me about it i brought it back twice already and they kept telling me to throw parts at it basically. Telling me its the spark, the injectors, everything but the HPFP install because they say their tech is 100% on the install.
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LPFP module can be a good trouble maker. Tell your indy to scrutinize it.
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so I was able to get a reading the the fuel pressure seems after shutting of the car the high fuel pressure drops and continues to drop . do you know where I can find high fuel pressure and low fuel pressure readings at idle? Or when the car is off?
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fuel pressures
- High pressure in ECU module
- Low pressure in LPFP module
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high pressure: at idle around 1000psi at 3krpm it was around 1500psi
Low pressure is around 100psi
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Bingo: low HPFP output
This points to high-pressure pump being unable to build up pressure. It should be in the ball park of 3000psi and you're only getting 1500 at most.
I am surprised the ECU is not poping a code for pressure low ! That's when you need Xentry tool to read exactly what's going on with the control valve.
You mentioned this part having being changed and that caused all this BS to start happening. Double check ie. re-do the teach-in pump adaptations.
Now you know where this problem is. No additional good parts got changed ✌️
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LPFP 100Psi: shows its able to supply plenty of volume to camshaft HPFP. No prob.
This points to high-pressure pump being unable to build up pressure. It should be in the ball park of 3000psi and you're only getting 1500 at most.
I am surprised the ECU is not poping a code for pressure low ! That's when you need Xentry tool to read exactly what's going on with the control valve.
You mentioned this part having being changed and that caused all this BS to start happening. Double check ie. re-do the teach-in pump adaptations.
Now you know where this problem is. No additional good parts got changed ✌️
This points to high-pressure pump being unable to build up pressure. It should be in the ball park of 3000psi and you're only getting 1500 at most.
I am surprised the ECU is not poping a code for pressure low ! That's when you need Xentry tool to read exactly what's going on with the control valve.
You mentioned this part having being changed and that caused all this BS to start happening. Double check ie. re-do the teach-in pump adaptations.
Now you know where this problem is. No additional good parts got changed ✌️
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I had a indy take a look at it same they couldnt figure it out. I did do my sparks and valve covers. Did check that was no oil in the coils. I think ill redo the install of the HPFP. I was also thinking of getting a UV light fuel leak test kit to see if that might be a cause.
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If you figure out a solution please post.
my car has been at Mercedes for 7 weeks. Master tech and shop foreman has been on it. And they couldn’t figure it out, just got a call today for me to pick up my car, still cold start misfiring
my car has been at Mercedes for 7 weeks. Master tech and shop foreman has been on it. And they couldn’t figure it out, just got a call today for me to pick up my car, still cold start misfiring
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my car was there also for about 5 weks or so, did this also happen after the hpfp change? Is your car running lean as well?
