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Old May 17, 2024 | 11:25 AM
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c300 rough start when cold

is that normal that it starts kinda rough when cold but starts normal when warm?

its not a rod knock(i have experience with that) its just rough like when you wake up at the wrong time in the morning and you cant figure out how to operate your own legs to go to bathroom kind of rough.

alot of shaking.

but again no codes
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Old May 17, 2024 | 04:25 PM
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What scanner do you use to scan for codes?
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shop scanner.
there is no engine specific codes
i replaced manifold already and did a basic tuna

do i have to program the new manifold in any way after i replace it?(the flaps were broken on the old one)
it fumbles rather hard for about 3-5 seconds on initial vold start but is fine when warmed up start

only codes are electrical for rear fuse box and some kind of 30g circuit which i still cant find what it is
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shop scanner.
there is no engine specific codes
i replaced manifold already and did a basic tuna

do i have to program the new manifold in any way after i replace it?(the flaps were broken on the old one)
it fumbles rather hard for about 3-5 seconds on initial vold start but is fine when warmed up start

only codes are electrical for rear fuse box and some kind of 30g circuit which i still cant find what it is
What shop scanner? AUTEL? XENTRY? LAUNCH? Please be specific.

You many need to do some sort of "teach in" for the new manifold.
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Old May 17, 2024 | 06:12 PM
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Old May 17, 2024 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by raverx3m
is that normal that it starts kinda rough when cold but starts normal when warm?

its not a rod knock(i have experience with that) its just rough like when you wake up at the wrong time in the morning and you cant figure out how to operate your own legs to go to bathroom kind of rough.

alot of shaking.

but again no codes
How many miles on the car and have the mounts ever been replaced?
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Old May 17, 2024 | 07:43 PM
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What engine, M272?

Im guessing, initial rough running then it evens out may be a vacuum line issue somewhere. Especially if you recently replaced the intake manifold.

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Would vacuum leak throw a code?
194k dont know about mounts
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Originally Posted by raverx3m
Would vacuum leak throw a code?
194k dont know about mounts
194k with no history of mounts being changed, the mount arm is probably already in direct contact with mount body, because internal isolation material has collapsed. You can check this from the engine bay with a proper inspection mirror and a good flashlight.



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Its more of an engine fumble rather than car shaking
i know the mounts are shot and i can feel it when driving/shifting etc.
this is more of an engine having a kind of rude awakening like your first night in bootcamp and then it evens out and runs smoother.
its also same rpm that im having the rpm fluctuation when i drive.
it was there before i replaced the manifold
vacuum leak would be present all the time also.
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Old May 23, 2024 | 11:24 AM
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there seems to be 2 different sets of mounts and they both say awd
which one is actual awd lol

one set with aluminum tranny mount and the above motor mounts
the other one with pancake tranny mount and what looks like a glazed donut for engine mounts
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4matic engine mounts: 2042401517
4matic trans mount: 2042400618





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Old Dec 3, 2024 | 10:25 PM
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Part two.
weather got colder
34degrees now
after sitting for 2 days i started the car and idle went down to 750rpm in less than a minute and idles like its a misfire
the only code is for the intermittent left catalytic converter insufficient something that has been on and off for last 6 months.

would be so much easier if it threw a code for something actually related to problem
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Ok so 10 minutes later i started it after 5 min drive to the store snd it runs like it was before.
wtf lol

anyone want to buy my mercedes? I feel like im not into that kind of life anymore
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Ok so 10 minutes later i started it after 5 min drive to the store snd it runs like it was before.
wtf lol

anyone want to buy my mercedes? I feel like im not into that kind of life anymore
there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes
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A cheap Porsche?
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Old Dec 6, 2024 | 11:10 AM
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well a porsche either runs or its a long "project" in the garage.
mercedes does that bullsht where it runs then it doesnt you cycle the key and it runs normal again.
we had about 10 mercedeseses in the family in last 20 years and they all have these issues


but anyway i ordered launch scanner hopefully it picks up something that my old autel missed.

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Originally Posted by raverx3m
well a porsche either runs or its a long "project" in the garage.
mercedes does that bullsht where it runs then it doesnt you cycle the key and it runs normal again.
we had about 10 mercedeseses in the family in last 20 years and they all have these issues


but anyway i ordered launch scanner hopefully it picks up something that my old autel missed.
The engine module is artificially made sensitive to CAN-Bus C traffic: Read this summary.

Your best interest is to have a pristine networks else timings will be impacted the way you've described.

The fault tolerance impacts the performance.
Lets see your Launch report...

Your rough cold engine may be lean fuel trim linked to lower performance.

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if i disconnect battery and remove sam modules (both front and rear) for inspection do i have to do any kind of re learning process or wil they plug in and work again like nothing happened?
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They will plug back in like nothing happened.
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They will plug back in like nothing happened.
I second that!

Part of the chassis is always awake.
Disconnect all power prior to unplugging any module... powered on while in "sleep mode" Even in "low power mode" power is still applied.


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does mercedes dealership software have sam module troubleshooting?
i have vxdiag jbox dont have mb licence for it yet but was wondering if its worth having and would give me access to more precision troubleshooting options
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@BenzNinja has the best software best hardware and software for troubleshooting. It's a little pricy butt you will also get personal support along with the package.
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Rough idle fluctuation

Originally Posted by raverx3m
Its more of an engine fumble rather than car shaking
i know the mounts are shot and i can feel it when driving/shifting etc.
this is more of an engine having a kind of rude awakening like your first night in bootcamp and then it evens out and runs smoother.
its also same rpm that im having the rpm fluctuation when i drive.
it was there before i replaced the manifold
vacuum leak would be present all the time also.
so I found out that the rough idle fluctuation can be fixed by changing your transmission fluid and filter. Make sure you are adding the correct fluid it’s gonna be between the blue or red trans fluid. Depending on your engine type.
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