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Old 06-22-2015, 03:41 PM
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Hello all,

First things first, the C class AMG line I have had for six months is a brilliant car, I really cannot fault it.

It has just gone in for its 15000 mile service and I am surprised to be informed the back tyres need replacing. Fronts have plenty of grip left.

This seems very poor as I do mostly long journeys and my friends say I am always driving too slowy.

Should I replace with MOE tyres, MO tyres or can I use premium tryes such as Michelin that do not have the MO or MOE mark?

Is there any implications for insurance or warranty? Does anyone recommend any brands that would be a better balance of wear and comfort?
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Your diesel has a lot of torque & it is unfussed acceleration. I am a steady driver & my rears wear quickly on my w204 220CDI especially on the insides . You have been enjoying your torque & not realising it!!

I rotate my tyres regularly to achieve maximum wear.

I do not know what MOE tyres are but in my opinion your car deserves premium tyres. I have been recommended Michelin Primacy HP as they wear well.
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Cannot comment on wear yet but my car a 250 bluetec 4 matic estate was delivered shod with hankook evo tyres. I was disappointed when i got it expecting michelin or continental but now think they are a good tyre giving a good quiet ride. We have had little wet weather so cannot really comment on how they perform in extreme wet but in normal rain they were as good as in the wet. Running the 4matic means it is a very balanced power delivery so non of the problems of rear wheel scrabble........my s211 220cdi e class estate was pathetic in getting rear grip due to the torque hence my conversion to 4matic. Wear on my GLK 4MATIC was very even front and rear on both the summer and winter tyre sets.

Hankook seem to get good reviews and are cheaper plus they come in either MO or MOE. I have MO with the tyre kit. The e class also wore the rear tyres pretty quickly, 20k if you were lucky.

Given the tyres are the only thing which keeps you on the road I always believe in buying the best I can and would always buy MO homogulated.hope this helps.
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I am certainly going for premium, there are some Michelin I have seen but do not have the MO stamp. Having done some research MO stands for Mercedes original and the e is for extended, a kind of run flat.

Can I fit a premium, non mercedes stamped tyre without invalidating the warranty?
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Yes i think you can......only the german 3 homogulate tyres, supposedly the tyre is made to an oem spec. From the little i know about tyre manufacture via trusty google and youtube, so not a lot!, i think it can only be about the compound mix as the actual mould and tread is the same but i am no expert.

I will pay the few quid extra for mo am steering clear of run flats, moe, as comfort is paramount for me and my other half. Maybe glyn ruck or vic viper can comment they are far more knowlegeable and reliable than me.
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MOE = Mercedes Original Extended. They are tyres that Benz has tuned with a tyre manufacturer to suit their vehicles. i.e give maximum comfort etc. with a runflat tyre. This only applies to crappy runflat tyres.

Premium Michelin non runflat tyres, as an example, are going to be superior to any runflat MOE or not.
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Just wondering anyone else is suffered real bad Front tyre wear?
Have a C250 Bluetech with AMG line, which is 8 month old & only done only 16,000km. It looks like to me that the front wheel alignment is extremely out (too much positive camber), I have never owned a car that wears that outside edge of the tyre first. My tyre pressures are set to 36psi (2.5 bar, 245kpa). The Left is more worn then the Right.


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36psi sounds way to high, and a high PSI will give you a higher outer wear
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2,5 Bar is not to high on tiers like these. Your wheel-alignmet seem way of, probably the caster. Go to your dealer and show them, if its both something is way of maybe from factory. Cause if it just been one side, they could argue that maybe you hit a pothole hard and that could be enough to set of the alignment.
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I have the car book in on Tuesday for MB Melbourne city dealership to look at it as they have there own wheel alignment equipment. I hope they come to the party with a fix.
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Originally Posted by HorshamRebel
36psi sounds way to high, and a high PSI will give you a higher outer wear
Higher tire press. will cause center tire wear, not outer tire wear. Think about it.
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While this being a generalization, it is very common with staggered setup, since you cannot effectively rotate them (cause being mis-alignment). All my cars with staggered wheels over last 15 yrs have had poor tire wear. And all my cars with non-staggered setup over last 15 yrs or so have performed graciously

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Originally Posted by Nuk
I have the car book in on Tuesday for MB Melbourne city dealership to look at it as they have there own wheel alignment equipment. I hope they come to the party with a fix.

I have the exact same problem on my S205 Estate wagon. Its a brilliant car otherwise and have grown to enjoy this car very much.

I've only owned the car for 2 months and I think there was already a outer wear problem from day 1. It had 10K kilometers on the clock Build date DEC 14 compliance in May 2015. I've since done around 3500kms and the wear is getting close to bald. It came fitted with the Pirelli P Zero Run Flats which has the same thread as yours.

What did dealership end up doing for you in the end?

P.S I purchased mine from MB Melbourne as well, its been there for the last 3 days having some concerns looked at.

Apart from the excessive front tyre wear, the other annoying thing is the idle bearing pulley has worn and is noisey... Have you had any other issues with yours? I have a noise coming from what seems to be the COMAND system, from time to time theres a "chirp" "chirp" noise which is doing my head in

I've recently copped a puncture in the rear, I got a phone call today from the Service department they recommend I replace all 4 tires!!! The cost of replacing 4 tires is going to set me back over $2K... Wasnt expecting to be replacing all 4 tyres so early such short period of ownership

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Angry Tyre Wear

My C250 Bluetec AMG has now gone through 2 sets of Pirelli P Zeros in 27000 miles. Wear is exactly as shown in the images from Nuk above. My car has the 19" AMG wheels but no Airmatic.
My first set wore out at 11000 miles at which point I asked for a full alignment check (£200)
I was advised that the tolerances were in spec however they moved a number of settings to the other side of the tolerance band.
The new set lasted 16000 miles - still pretty poor in my opinion bearing in mind the car spends most of its time on Motorways.

I have also had one set of replacement rears and the service advisor has pointed out that there is only 2k left in the current ones.

I am now told that MOE Pirellis (225/40/R19s) are as rare as hens teeth at present. My local Kwik Fit offered to get me two from a branch 200 miles away but wanted to relieve me of £575 for the privilege.

I am running the pressures as per the manual and the dealer does not seem to recognise this wear as unreasonable.

As I have a 750 mile trip next week I need to get something on the car can anyone recommend a non MOE tyre?
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My dealer put 42 PSI in all four of my tires during the PDI (C450), I only noticed at the 1500 km mark that my 19's should be 36 PSI in the front and 32 PSI in the back... I've since adjusted, and man this car is smooth now, lol...

I will try to rotate mine every 4k (km's) - really want to make the tires last as long as possible... With the ContiProContact 5's, it's my understanding that they are non-directional, so I can rotate from side to side... Does everybody do this?
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Originally Posted by HorshamRebel
36psi sounds way to high, and a high PSI will give you a higher outer wear
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2.5 bar light load
2.7 bar high load
Is the factory spec on mine

Over inflation accelerates wear in the Center of the tyre not a single edge...

The wheel alignment is incorrect on this vehicle....

Please think / check data before you post... Or at least endeavour to qualify information that flies in the face of known standards
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Apart from the excessive front tyre wear, the other annoying thing is the idle bearing pulley has worn and is noisey... Have you had any other issues with yours? I have a noise coming from what seems to be the COMAND system, from time to time theres a "chirp" "chirp" noise which is doing my head in
I have the same chirp chirp noise it has been mentioned by others previously but I have never seen a clear "this is what it is" .... It's like having a cricket in the dash directly in front of you...
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I have the same chirp chirp noise it has been mentioned by others previously but I have never seen a clear "this is what it is" .... It's like having a cricket in the dash directly in front of you...
The noise is a relay actuation related to the keyless go. Take it to the dealer and request a software update to module N69 (Keyless Go). The new software fixes it.
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My C250 Bluetec AMG has now gone through 2 sets of Pirelli P Zeros in 27000 miles. Wear is exactly as shown in the images from Nuk above. My car has the 19" AMG wheels but no Airmatic.
My first set wore out at 11000 miles at which point I asked for a full alignment check (£200)
I was advised that the tolerances were in spec however they moved a number of settings to the other side of the tolerance band.
The new set lasted 16000 miles - still pretty poor in my opinion bearing in mind the car spends most of its time on Motorways.

I have also had one set of replacement rears and the service advisor has pointed out that there is only 2k left in the current ones.

I am now told that MOE Pirellis (225/40/R19s) are as rare as hens teeth at present. My local Kwik Fit offered to get me two from a branch 200 miles away but wanted to relieve me of £575 for the privilege.

I am running the pressures as per the manual and the dealer does not seem to recognize this wear as unreasonable.

As I have a 750 mile trip next week I need to get something on the car can anyone recommend a non MOE tyre?
I didn't have any success asking the dealer to honor this as a warranty fix.

Im contact MB through social media Facebook to raise a complaint hopefully can get something acknowledge from there end, i believe this is a factory issue and it should be publicly known the alignment is out from the factory or there is a serious tire wear issue on the W205/S205 Models.

Next tires I will going to fit is Michelin Pilot Super Sports. The Run Flat tires are a more of a liability... MB quoted $700AUD to replace one tire.
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I have the same chirp chirp noise it has been mentioned by others previously but I have never seen a clear "this is what it is" .... It's like having a cricket in the dash directly in front of you...
The dealer took the car away, took them 3 days to diagnose the noises, the MB Melb Service department was pretty poor in keeping me in the loop. The service manager didnt return my calls I had to ring twice and send 2 emails to finally get a phone call back with an update. Turned out their Service Advisor or someone lost the "paperwork".

Ended up replacing the idle bearing pulley, the noise in the cabin was unbearable. It is 100x better now actually feels like I own a MB again

The Software update also did fix the "chirp chirp" noise and yes its related to the Keyless Go system.
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Had my car in to dealer to get the two fronts changed.
As I said elsewhere this will be the third set of fronts at 28k miles.
Mercedes Customer Service requested that these be sent back to Pirelli for assessment which the garage has done.

Interestingly when the tyres were off the car we noted that not only the outside edges of both the tyre had worn badly BUT the also the inside edges were down to the canvas. I had completely missed this.

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The Dealer also checked the alignment and all was OK.

I check my pressure on a regular basis using the TPS data so I am as certain as I can be that I was not running around with very low pressures.

Interestingly The dealer could not supply Pirelli P Zero's or Continentals to MOE spec. due to "Factory issues". I now have Bridgestone RFT's which have done nothing for the ride comfort!!!

Will advise on the report from Pirelli when I receive it.
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I now have Bridgestone RFT's which have done nothing for the ride comfort!!!

Which Bridgestone RFT did you get ? DriveGuards ?
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Which Bridgestone RFT did you get ? DriveGuards ?
The Pirelli p zero run flats are lousy, in my opinion. Got 10000 on my S550. Tire rack said pirelli was discontinuing current model.and replacing ( third change in 18 months) I replaced with continental dws06 and made a ton of difference on ride and noise. I have wheel and tire coverage and checked for coverage. Was told as long as tires meet load and speed rating after more tires, they are covered.
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