View Poll Results: C450 AMG Sport or C43 AMG?
C450 AMG Sport is the right thing.
20
31.75%
C43 AMG - Wait for it!
43
68.25%
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To Wait or Not to Wait? C450 AMG Sport vs. C43 AMG
02-19-2016, 11:19 AM
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
To Wait or Not to Wait? C450 AMG Sport vs. C43 AMG
So this is the big question. Would love to poll and see what people think. I know there's not a lot of details out there, but hoping people might have some more insight than I do.
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02-19-2016, 11:49 AM
#2
Super Member
I say get the C450, maybe even wait for people to trade their 450s for the C43 and get a CPO C450 and skip some of the depreciation.
The 2017 C43 if the reports are true will simply be a rebadge, no 9G transmission and possibly a small boost in HP/TQ figures that could probably be achieved with a tune. I wonder how much the insurance premiums will differ once it is categorized as an AMG car as AMG cars usually cost more to insure versus their stock counterparts.
Also consider that by this time next year the MY2018 will be on it's way to being unveiled and will likely bring new refinements including design tweaks to the exterior/interior. Rumors I have read are saying it will have a new higher resolution screen with less bezel and possibly a virtual cockpit type of screen optional similar to what's now on the 2017 Audi A4. I also expect it to get the 9G from the GLC.
MY18 will be a big year for MB because it will bring the facelifted S Class and the introduction of Inline 6 engines for the E, specifically the E43 and therefore the C43. Making this years C43 sort of like the C400, in that it will likely be replaced the following year with a heavily tweaked model. I don't know why MB keeps burning their base but I hope it doesn't backfire, they should've kept the 450 AMG Sport nomenclature until the Inline 6 Engines were ready to go then do the x43 name transition.
Basically if you keep waiting for the next version you'll wait forever. I say wait a little get a low mileage CPO C450 and enjoy it then trade up to C43 once the refresh comes out.
The 2017 C43 if the reports are true will simply be a rebadge, no 9G transmission and possibly a small boost in HP/TQ figures that could probably be achieved with a tune. I wonder how much the insurance premiums will differ once it is categorized as an AMG car as AMG cars usually cost more to insure versus their stock counterparts.
Also consider that by this time next year the MY2018 will be on it's way to being unveiled and will likely bring new refinements including design tweaks to the exterior/interior. Rumors I have read are saying it will have a new higher resolution screen with less bezel and possibly a virtual cockpit type of screen optional similar to what's now on the 2017 Audi A4. I also expect it to get the 9G from the GLC.
MY18 will be a big year for MB because it will bring the facelifted S Class and the introduction of Inline 6 engines for the E, specifically the E43 and therefore the C43. Making this years C43 sort of like the C400, in that it will likely be replaced the following year with a heavily tweaked model. I don't know why MB keeps burning their base but I hope it doesn't backfire, they should've kept the 450 AMG Sport nomenclature until the Inline 6 Engines were ready to go then do the x43 name transition.
Basically if you keep waiting for the next version you'll wait forever. I say wait a little get a low mileage CPO C450 and enjoy it then trade up to C43 once the refresh comes out.
Last edited by DapperStyle; 02-19-2016 at 11:51 AM.
02-19-2016, 12:32 PM
#3
Super Member
My vote is with my wallet. My C450 (second order, unfortunately) is due in April and I didn't give a second thought to not waiting. From reading this board, I know it matters to some, but to me, I don't care if the car is called C450 with AMG badges on the side or C43 with AMG badges on the back. It's the same car. I know there might be MY 2017 changes, but I'm not thinking it will have anything to do with the branding change. As Dapper says, you'll wait forever if you are always thinking about what is coming next that you won't have.
All of that said, if the name change is important to you, and you aren't in need of a new car soon, by all means wait. It's a big purchase to have regrets and not be happy the day you drive off the lot. Want to enjoy the car for the next 6 months? Or have the new name and any other model year changes?
All of that said, if the name change is important to you, and you aren't in need of a new car soon, by all means wait. It's a big purchase to have regrets and not be happy the day you drive off the lot. Want to enjoy the car for the next 6 months? Or have the new name and any other model year changes?
02-19-2016, 02:04 PM
#4
Member
I just got my C450 and I'm in love with it. I did de-badge the C450, but that had nothing to do with the upcoming name change, and I definitely will NOT be throwing a C43 or AMG badge on my C450.
Since we're essentially talking about a name change here, I say go with the C450, especially since the order bank is still open to build and order your own 2016 C450 configuration. Financially, you'll almost certainly save some money by getting a C450. Despite there being no actual vehicle changes other than the name, the 2017 C43 will have an increased based price by 1%-3% (as is nearly always the case for new model year vehicles whether they're redesigned or not). Also, if you are thinking of leasing, there is currently a special money factor on the C450 (which lowered lease payments by something like $100 per month) that wasn't available for the first several months after the C450's release. I'm guessing that they will bump back up to the standard (aka "****ty") money factor when the 2017 C43 drops.
Irregardless of the money you might save, if you're excited about this car and would prefer to have one sooner rather than later and there will be no actual physical changes to the vehicle, why bother waiting nearly a year just to have a different name on the car?
Since we're essentially talking about a name change here, I say go with the C450, especially since the order bank is still open to build and order your own 2016 C450 configuration. Financially, you'll almost certainly save some money by getting a C450. Despite there being no actual vehicle changes other than the name, the 2017 C43 will have an increased based price by 1%-3% (as is nearly always the case for new model year vehicles whether they're redesigned or not). Also, if you are thinking of leasing, there is currently a special money factor on the C450 (which lowered lease payments by something like $100 per month) that wasn't available for the first several months after the C450's release. I'm guessing that they will bump back up to the standard (aka "****ty") money factor when the 2017 C43 drops.
Irregardless of the money you might save, if you're excited about this car and would prefer to have one sooner rather than later and there will be no actual physical changes to the vehicle, why bother waiting nearly a year just to have a different name on the car?
02-19-2016, 02:14 PM
#5
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Very insightful comments everyone - I look forward to hearing more thoughts. The money that can be saved on a custom order too is an added bonus due to incentives from MB.
02-19-2016, 02:39 PM
#6
I just got my C450 and I'm in love with it. I did de-badge the C450, but that had nothing to do with the upcoming name change, and I definitely will NOT be throwing a C43 or AMG badge on my C450.
Since we're essentially talking about a name change here, I say go with the C450, especially since the order bank is still open to build and order your own 2016 C450 configuration. Financially, you'll almost certainly save some money by getting a C450. Despite there being no actual vehicle changes other than the name, the 2017 C43 will have an increased based price by 1%-3% (as is nearly always the case for new model year vehicles whether they're redesigned or not). Also, if you are thinking of leasing, there is currently a special money factor on the C450 (which lowered lease payments by something like $100 per month) that wasn't available for the first several months after the C450's release. I'm guessing that they will bump back up to the standard (aka "****ty") money factor when the 2017 C43 drops.
Irregardless of the money you might save, if you're excited about this car and would prefer to have one sooner rather than later and there will be no actual physical changes to the vehicle, why bother waiting nearly a year just to have a different name on the car?
Since we're essentially talking about a name change here, I say go with the C450, especially since the order bank is still open to build and order your own 2016 C450 configuration. Financially, you'll almost certainly save some money by getting a C450. Despite there being no actual vehicle changes other than the name, the 2017 C43 will have an increased based price by 1%-3% (as is nearly always the case for new model year vehicles whether they're redesigned or not). Also, if you are thinking of leasing, there is currently a special money factor on the C450 (which lowered lease payments by something like $100 per month) that wasn't available for the first several months after the C450's release. I'm guessing that they will bump back up to the standard (aka "****ty") money factor when the 2017 C43 drops.
Irregardless of the money you might save, if you're excited about this car and would prefer to have one sooner rather than later and there will be no actual physical changes to the vehicle, why bother waiting nearly a year just to have a different name on the car?
And, you know there will be no material changes because you read it here?
02-19-2016, 03:39 PM
#7
Senior Member
Feel free to lay out your opinion and reasoning on what's in next years model.
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02-19-2016, 04:06 PM
#9
Super Member
1- The change to C43 is part of a market strategy as ALL AMG Sport /450 versions are changing to 43 versions. This was not a targeted “we need to make the C450 more of an AMG model and increase its performance”. It is a branding exercise not exclusive to this car.
2- The C63 exists, and they’ll want to keep a reasonable separation
3- The 2017 SLC43 comes out soon. Guess how much horsepower it has? Yes, the same 362 as the C450. Is it likely that all of the sudden after replacing a “real” AMG car (the SLK55) with the same M276 30 motor in a newly released 2017 car, they are going to start modifying it for an existing car of the same model year? No.
4- The C450 already has AMG designed brakes and suspension package as well as an appearance package. It doesn’t make financial sense to make those all a limited 10 month run. Highly doubtful any of that changes.
5- The W205 overall will be in its 3rd year in 2017. Doesn’t seem like the year for significant updates particularly as they are focused on the coupe and cabriolets and not redesigns of the sedans. That said, whatever does change across the lineup will be separate from the rebrand.
On the other hand, let’s make some smart guesses at what might change:
1 – The 2017 SLC43 will have the 9G transmission, so they already have it tuned to pair with the motor. That said, it is not in the current C class, and not in the upcoming C Coupe, so there are some signs pointing against it. Earlier reports were that the 9G would come as part of a mid-model refresh. Definitely a possibility to see the 9G, but if I had to place bets, I would bet against.
2 – Vented seats in the US! Available in the C300, and the C450 in other countries. Pretty sure though, if this happens, it will have nothing to do with the rebrand though, and it will increase the cost of the interior package.
3 – Additional AMG badge. The C63 has that center console badge. Seems like an easy change if they wanted.
So, honestly, agreeing that our speculation doesn't make it a fact, what do you speculate/guess based upon what we do know might change? What honestly makes sense to change based upon the current status? We make similar smart guesses all the time, by the way. The price of the 2017 is speculation as well, but no one reasonably guesses that it will double, but that a 0-3% increase is likely based on facts that we have, so no one is advising buying one right away because of the unknown price of the 2017, or when it changes to C43 if it is not a model year change.
02-19-2016, 04:10 PM
#10
You speculate, I expectorate. The guy wants rational advice. The only rational advice is in the alternative: either assume the risk that some or all speculation becomes fact, or simply wait. If I'd known in October last what I know now, I'd simply wait. If a few percent takes it out of equipoise, you should NOT buy a Mercedes.
02-19-2016, 04:25 PM
#11
On the other hand, if you are willing to assume all risks of waiting, and can do so financially, wait. Waiting gives you certainty.
Frankly, "if" it is a "fact" that my 450 has only one production year, MB has used such irrational business judgment that it seems only rational to wait pending any further irrational decisions.
02-19-2016, 05:18 PM
#12
Member
It is all speculation. True point and worth remembering That said, if you follow the car industry long enough, good speculation often ends up aligning with the facts. These aren’t blind guesses. Let’s look at the facts, and then create some logical conclusions (which we can agree are not guaranteed)
1- The change to C43 is part of a market strategy as ALL AMG Sport /450 versions are changing to 43 versions. This was not a targeted “we need to make the C450 more of an AMG model and increase its performance”. It is a branding exercise not exclusive to this car.
2- The C63 exists, and they’ll want to keep a reasonable separation
3- The 2017 SLC43 comes out soon. Guess how much horsepower it has? Yes, the same 362 as the C450. Is it likely that all of the sudden after replacing a “real” AMG car (the SLK55) with the same M276 30 motor in a newly released 2017 car, they are going to start modifying it for an existing car of the same model year? No.
4- The C450 already has AMG designed brakes and suspension package as well as an appearance package. It doesn’t make financial sense to make those all a limited 10 month run. Highly doubtful any of that changes.
5- The W205 overall will be in its 3rd year in 2017. Doesn’t seem like the year for significant updates particularly as they are focused on the coupe and cabriolets and not redesigns of the sedans. That said, whatever does change across the lineup will be separate from the rebrand.
On the other hand, let’s make some smart guesses at what might change:
1 – The 2017 SLC43 will have the 9G transmission, so they already have it tuned to pair with the motor. That said, it is not in the current C class, and not in the upcoming C Coupe, so there are some signs pointing against it. Earlier reports were that the 9G would come as part of a mid-model refresh. Definitely a possibility to see the 9G, but if I had to place bets, I would bet against.
2 – Vented seats in the US! Available in the C300, and the C450 in other countries. Pretty sure though, if this happens, it will have nothing to do with the rebrand though, and it will increase the cost of the interior package.
3 – Additional AMG badge. The C63 has that center console badge. Seems like an easy change if they wanted.
So, honestly, agreeing that our speculation doesn't make it a fact, what do you speculate/guess based upon what we do know might change? What honestly makes sense to change based upon the current status? We make similar smart guesses all the time, by the way. The price of the 2017 is speculation as well, but no one reasonably guesses that it will double, but that a 0-3% increase is likely based on facts that we have, so no one is advising buying one right away because of the unknown price of the 2017, or when it changes to C43 if it is not a model year change.
1- The change to C43 is part of a market strategy as ALL AMG Sport /450 versions are changing to 43 versions. This was not a targeted “we need to make the C450 more of an AMG model and increase its performance”. It is a branding exercise not exclusive to this car.
2- The C63 exists, and they’ll want to keep a reasonable separation
3- The 2017 SLC43 comes out soon. Guess how much horsepower it has? Yes, the same 362 as the C450. Is it likely that all of the sudden after replacing a “real” AMG car (the SLK55) with the same M276 30 motor in a newly released 2017 car, they are going to start modifying it for an existing car of the same model year? No.
4- The C450 already has AMG designed brakes and suspension package as well as an appearance package. It doesn’t make financial sense to make those all a limited 10 month run. Highly doubtful any of that changes.
5- The W205 overall will be in its 3rd year in 2017. Doesn’t seem like the year for significant updates particularly as they are focused on the coupe and cabriolets and not redesigns of the sedans. That said, whatever does change across the lineup will be separate from the rebrand.
On the other hand, let’s make some smart guesses at what might change:
1 – The 2017 SLC43 will have the 9G transmission, so they already have it tuned to pair with the motor. That said, it is not in the current C class, and not in the upcoming C Coupe, so there are some signs pointing against it. Earlier reports were that the 9G would come as part of a mid-model refresh. Definitely a possibility to see the 9G, but if I had to place bets, I would bet against.
2 – Vented seats in the US! Available in the C300, and the C450 in other countries. Pretty sure though, if this happens, it will have nothing to do with the rebrand though, and it will increase the cost of the interior package.
3 – Additional AMG badge. The C63 has that center console badge. Seems like an easy change if they wanted.
So, honestly, agreeing that our speculation doesn't make it a fact, what do you speculate/guess based upon what we do know might change? What honestly makes sense to change based upon the current status? We make similar smart guesses all the time, by the way. The price of the 2017 is speculation as well, but no one reasonably guesses that it will double, but that a 0-3% increase is likely based on facts that we have, so no one is advising buying one right away because of the unknown price of the 2017, or when it changes to C43 if it is not a model year change.
Well said. This is offering rational advice and speculation.
02-19-2016, 06:12 PM
#14
Member
Thing is, the C450 doesn't really have only one production year. The vehicle itself will continue being produced and sold, albeit with a different name and badge on the back, from what we all understand.
This isn't nearly the same as what happened with the C400, which was a model that really did only have one (extremely short) production year, only to be discontinued and replaced by what is technically an entirely new model - the C450. By this time last year, production on the C400 had ceased completely to pave the way for the eventual C450.
02-19-2016, 07:04 PM
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02-20-2016, 01:51 AM
#21
Super Member
this is so STUPID !
if you going to wait for C43, why not wait a little longer and get C44 in the next year. wait, maybe wait even a little longer and get C45 in next next year.
if you going to wait for C43, why not wait a little longer and get C44 in the next year. wait, maybe wait even a little longer and get C45 in next next year.
02-20-2016, 08:02 AM
#23
MBWorld Fanatic!
Why would anyone want to buy a brand new discontinued model knowing full well the "newest" official model is just months away from release? Especially since no one can prove exactly what improvements may come with the latest model...PLUS Mercedes is considering the C43 a TRUE AMG.
What...just to save a couple bucks? Did people not learn a lesson from the short lived C400?
What...just to save a couple bucks? Did people not learn a lesson from the short lived C400?
02-20-2016, 09:56 AM
#25
Why would anyone want to buy a brand new discontinued model knowing full well the "newest" official model is just months away from release? Especially since no one can prove exactly what improvements may come with the latest model...PLUS Mercedes is considering the C43 a TRUE AMG.
What...just to save a couple bucks? Did people not learn a lesson from the short lived C400?
What...just to save a couple bucks? Did people not learn a lesson from the short lived C400?
