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Engine start/stop mode a battery drainer?

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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 08:16 PM
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Engine start/stop mode a battery drainer?

Although I have the 2017 coupe, I'm asking this "battery" question of you guys because I don't think that the coupe has been around long enough to get an answer from the "coupe" forum.

I'm thinking that using the engine start/stop mode will drain the battery(ies) faster than if not used. For those that routinely use this function, what has been your experience?
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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 08:20 PM
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The system uses the alternator to re-charge the batteries during coasting and when not using all the available engine power. It will not allow the start-stop fucntion to activate if the battery parameters are out of range (it actually checks about 80 different things in the car to allow ECO mode to stop the engine). It doesn't put much of a drain on the battery, as it works to recharge it harder than normal so it can use it to re-start the car. Regular use won't hurt the battery any, it's far better than deep discharging or overheating, both of which are monitored by the car and will prevent ECO mode stop-start if they get bad.
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Old Dec 3, 2016 | 12:11 PM
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I am worried about the start/stop effect on the batteries too, especially since I live in one of the more traffic infected cities in Asia. I guess I will find out when I get my car in a couple of weeks....
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Old Dec 4, 2016 | 07:35 AM
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Living here in SoFL with the A/C always running, my concern was that when the engine stopped and the A/C kept running, there was no way that the battery would not drain out. But as has been explained by ItalianJoe1, it seems that MB's engineering has everything in control.
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Old Dec 4, 2016 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by flycaster
Living here in SoFL with the A/C always running, my concern was that when the engine stopped and the A/C kept running, there was no way that the battery would not drain out. But as has been explained by ItalianJoe1, it seems that MB's engineering has everything in control.
Yeah if you have the A/C on, it won't keep the engine off very long, as once the evaporator temperature raises about 8 degrees, it has to turn the engine back on to get cooler air. I find, outside in the sun, most cars will restart with 20 seconds. The maximum time ECO mode can keep the engine stopped is something north of 3 minutes if everything is good, and inside the shop (where it's air conditioned) and with the a/c and radio down (minimal electrical draw), I have had cars take 2+ minutes to re-start the engine on it's own before I let off the brake. The system watches a tremendous list of items.
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Old Dec 4, 2016 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by flycaster
Living here in SoFL with the A/C always running, my concern was that when the engine stopped and the A/C kept running, there was no way that the battery would not drain out. But as has been explained by ItalianJoe1, it seems that MB's engineering has everything in control.
A/C requires a running engine, it doesn't function when the engine is stopped.
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Old Dec 4, 2016 | 03:43 PM
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A/C requires a running engine, it doesn't function when the engine is stopped.
Yes and no. The system doesn't immediately get warm when the engine stops. The refrigerant is still under a pressure difference, and will continue to pass through the expansion valve and cool the evaporator for several seconds as the pressure equalizes, even though the compressor is off. The blower will come down a couple notches when the engine shuts down, both to conserve power and minimize thermal load. The evap temperature sensor watches for a 6-8 degree increase in temperature, same as it does to increase compressor load when the engine is running. Once the evap warms up too much for the desired a/c settings, the engine is re-started to provide cooler air.

Soon, as the 42v systems come out, you will see a switch to hybrid style electrical compressors, so the a/c will run full blast even with the engine off.
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Old Dec 6, 2016 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Soon, as the 42v systems come out, you will see a switch to hybrid style electrical compressors, so the a/c will run full blast even with the engine off.
I kind of wondered this too. What do cars like the Tesla and other electric cars use for A/C nowadays?
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I kind of wondered this too. What do cars like the Tesla and other electric cars use for A/C nowadays?
https://www.tesla.com/blog/blowing-hot-and-cold
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Old Dec 6, 2016 | 05:13 PM
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I kind of wondered this too. What do cars like the Tesla and other electric cars use for A/C nowadays?
A hybrid or electric car uses an electric motor to drive the a/c compressor instead of a belt on the engine. It's easy in that application because you already have a high-voltage electrical system than can run a strong, efficient electric motor to run the compressor. A standard 12V DC motor would be very large, heavy, and not efficient at all in that application.
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Old Dec 6, 2016 | 05:46 PM
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the only thing i would be worried about is when the car is out of warranty.

can you imagine how many things can go wrong on our cars after warranty period is over?

so much technology crammed in this car, i'm scared to even think about repair costs. German car electronics are bound to fail............
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Old Dec 6, 2016 | 06:20 PM
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the only thing i would be worried about is when the car is out of warranty.

can you imagine how many things can go wrong on our cars after warranty period is over?

so much technology crammed in this car, i'm scared to even think about repair costs. German car electronics are bound to fail............
Me too I have the same worry.
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Old Dec 6, 2016 | 06:25 PM
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the only thing i would be worried about is when the car is out of warranty.

can you imagine how many things can go wrong on our cars after warranty period is over?

so much technology crammed in this car, i'm scared to even think about repair costs. German car electronics are bound to fail............
It's not the German side of the equation, but the level of tech. There are so many systems crammed into the car, and they all have to get along perfectly or they don't work right.

As we see the last generation of cars falling out of warranty and extended/CPO warranty, the quotes are horrifying. A single control unit for a small sub-system can be $1500 and there's no guarantee it will solve the problem. The diagnostics are "replace control unit and re-test" type of things, but when the customer is paying for it and not MB, it gets expensive very quick.
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Old Dec 6, 2016 | 07:00 PM
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the only thing i would be worried about is when the car is out of warranty.

can you imagine how many things can go wrong on our cars after warranty period is over?

so much technology crammed in this car, i'm scared to even think about repair costs. German car electronics are bound to fail............
Agreed. Its a good thing we decided to lease ours...
Just reminded me that the other day I got a notification on my dash that my rear seats weren't latched in place! I thought, wow that's cool, but just another a sensor that can fail...
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Old Dec 7, 2016 | 11:13 PM
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1st of all, start stop system requires a different class of battery to survive more charge/drain cycles.

2nd, there are conditions that Auto Start/Stop won't run. I have been driving in -20C all week and seat heater on full blast, Auto Start/Stop never stop my engine once.

AND don't keep German cars past warranty, unless you bought factory extended warranty. It's always good idea to lease Germans.

And hey, we have a Inline Six to look forward to in 2018 or 19 for those of us getting off lease.

http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-brings-...mar-1788404634

So to recap: this 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-six, with its electric motor/generator, electric turbocharger, electric water pump and electric AC compressor, is a thoroughly advanced contraption that promises more than 408 horsepower and 370 lb-ft of torque.

The car gods have answered our prayers.
I'm looking forward to this getting into the 43 line of AMGs.
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