'12 CLS 63 Baseline Dyno
10-30-2011, 11:45 PM
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All your runs are telling you to put a stickier tire on your car
You're leaving 5 to 6 10ths in your 60 foot alone (your 2.3 vs Renntech 1.8 - and they could even run better if they launched harder or maybe used RaceStart)
The TC is going haywire cuz of the monstrous torque you're making in the basement and breaking your tires every time full boost comes on couple with proably a 1 wheel spin from no LSD from the non-PP
Your stats are saying your car should be side by side with the Renntech CLS...the only difference is the tires
You're leaving 5 to 6 10ths in your 60 foot alone (your 2.3 vs Renntech 1.8 - and they could even run better if they launched harder or maybe used RaceStart)
The TC is going haywire cuz of the monstrous torque you're making in the basement and breaking your tires every time full boost comes on couple with proably a 1 wheel spin from no LSD from the non-PP
Your stats are saying your car should be side by side with the Renntech CLS...the only difference is the tires
10-31-2011, 05:26 PM
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Here's a vid I took of one of the runs. Watch the tach. It runs up to 4k when the TC ligh starts to flash, drops to 2.5k rpm and sounds like it's shifting but it's not as it's still in 1st, then runs up again still flashing and shifts into 2nd. Sorry about the vid but it's hard to hold a phone while driving. You can see in the vid the car bucking around trying to go but it just won't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnV63rL4YeU
11-14-2011, 05:56 PM
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I'm back on the dyno. Put a few hundred miles on the car with the tune and the weather conditions are close to the stuck run. Had a heck of a time getting a tach pickup. The car changes its signal when it boosts. What a pain. Its heat soaked pretty bad as we ran it a good 10 times trying to fix the tach. It put down 528/609 in this condition. Its cooling now so we'll see.
FYI Renntech is using uncorrected numbers in their dyno. I've asked for other data such as corrected numbers but they're silent on those.
FYI Renntech is using uncorrected numbers in their dyno. I've asked for other data such as corrected numbers but they're silent on those.
11-14-2011, 07:15 PM
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11-14-2011, 07:34 PM
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Those are sae corrected values which were corrected down. Uncorrected will be higher. I won't know till later tonight and I can plug the run files in the computer. No idea why the big jump, I changed nothing on the car. I did do the first after dyno with a little less than 15 miles on the tune.
11-14-2011, 09:19 PM
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Here you go. Graphs. Red line is stock. Green is right after the tune with about 15 miles on it. Blue is the one I just did today. Nothing on the car has changed except it has more miles. Same dyno. Go figure.
11-14-2011, 09:34 PM
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i remember when Audi RS6 V10 TT was tuned, it showed higher numbers on dyno after each run, and also after couple of days driving. maybe there is something with German Turbo engines that they show higher numbers after a while.
11-18-2011, 11:55 PM
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Still disappointed?
You weren't using 100 octane and replicated RENNtech's numbers. Isn't that interesting.
Notice how the schmuck conspiracy theorists have nothing to say now.
Get drag radials on your car and you'll run the times you should if you learn to launch it properly.
You weren't using 100 octane and replicated RENNtech's numbers. Isn't that interesting.
Notice how the schmuck conspiracy theorists have nothing to say now.
Get drag radials on your car and you'll run the times you should if you learn to launch it properly.
11-19-2011, 12:03 AM
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No need for disapointment, still a great new motor from AMG & I'm certain free flowing exhaust/hi flo cats/CAI/Dwn Pipes/etc will yield 600+ rwhp 650+ rwtq
I said it on the RENNtech tuned ONLY thread "I'm betting RENNtech used more than 93 Octane to get the results they showed" (RENNtech stated 93 oct tune, I think it really is possible RENNtech tuned w/100+ oct to get those #'s, also considering BOTH baseline Dyno's were pretty close before BOTH tunes on NON Perf Pkg optioned vehicles) Though don't quote me on the last bit as I don't have time to dig up the RENNtech thread and cross refference OLD baseline Dyno #'s before Renn's ECU tune..
Yes, Dynos will vary but the #'s ie 21rwhp 44 rwtq MORE w/renntech's results would easily be replicated if 1 car was tuned for 93 oct vs 100+ I've seen Turbocharged vehicles (my own & others pick-up 20 rwhp from just adding 100+ octane to vehicle & allowing it to adapt to higher octane on it's own ie drive 10-odd miles & re-dyno same day same dyno, also seen plethora of other Turbo cars dyno 20-30 rwp more if tuning for 100+ oct vs 91-93 oct, Turbo app's LOVE race gas period. ..
Supercharged variants do react favorably to race gas too, but not to such a great degree..
I said it on the RENNtech tuned ONLY thread "I'm betting RENNtech used more than 93 Octane to get the results they showed" (RENNtech stated 93 oct tune, I think it really is possible RENNtech tuned w/100+ oct to get those #'s, also considering BOTH baseline Dyno's were pretty close before BOTH tunes on NON Perf Pkg optioned vehicles) Though don't quote me on the last bit as I don't have time to dig up the RENNtech thread and cross refference OLD baseline Dyno #'s before Renn's ECU tune..
Yes, Dynos will vary but the #'s ie 21rwhp 44 rwtq MORE w/renntech's results would easily be replicated if 1 car was tuned for 93 oct vs 100+ I've seen Turbocharged vehicles (my own & others pick-up 20 rwhp from just adding 100+ octane to vehicle & allowing it to adapt to higher octane on it's own ie drive 10-odd miles & re-dyno same day same dyno, also seen plethora of other Turbo cars dyno 20-30 rwp more if tuning for 100+ oct vs 91-93 oct, Turbo app's LOVE race gas period. ..
Supercharged variants do react favorably to race gas too, but not to such a great degree..
They'd NEVER admit to either adding few gallons of 100+ oct or actually Tuning for 100+ @ this point...Tell ya what, go empty your current tank & refill w/100+ octane drive the vehicle @ least 10-15 miles then re-strapp to that same exact dyo see if you don't pick-up 20 rwhp, if NOT? Have them retune for a 100+ & guaranteed to see 20-30 rwp & about same TQ..
Reason you may NOT be able to pick-up 20 rwhp by just letting car adapt to higher octane vs specifically Tuning for 100+ Your new model has a myriad of differences vs my older v122tt, AMG may have set your engines ability to adapt to higher octane fuels again much differently than us older v12tt's...
Reason you may NOT be able to pick-up 20 rwhp by just letting car adapt to higher octane vs specifically Tuning for 100+ Your new model has a myriad of differences vs my older v122tt, AMG may have set your engines ability to adapt to higher octane fuels again much differently than us older v12tt's...
Spoken like a typical uninformed jagoff with access to a keyboard.
11-19-2011, 09:04 AM
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Still disappointed?
You weren't using 100 octane and replicated RENNtech's numbers. Isn't that interesting.
Notice how the schmuck conspiracy theorists have nothing to say now.
Get drag radials on your car and you'll run the times you should if you learn to launch it properly.
You weren't using 100 octane and replicated RENNtech's numbers. Isn't that interesting.
Notice how the schmuck conspiracy theorists have nothing to say now.
Get drag radials on your car and you'll run the times you should if you learn to launch it properly.
Congrats on the huge numbers!
11-19-2011, 11:57 AM
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I'll eat some crow... I thought the RENNtech #'s were a little optimistic...but then again...I think ALL tuners do that. I am glad that your car was able to back up those #'s!
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11-19-2011, 10:20 PM
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Its all good, I wasn't speaking about you.
Its healthy to be skeptical about some tuner's numbers. Fly by night tuners deserve it. Its another thing to claim (like Ricker's ignorant 100 octane hallucination) that a tuner is doing things that they aren't. Especially, when the person saying it doesn't know what they are talking about. I have seen at least 20 of the BiTurbo 63s on the dyno at Renntech after they have been tuned, and they all make in the vicinity of 560/620 at the wheels on 93 octane.
It is pretty amazing, and a giant leap forward over the last 63.
