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Okay well 'FASTER' is completely relative. There is the hp/lb ratio if you wanna call that faster.. faster in acceleration? Are we talking the 1 mile? Are we talking 0-100, 0-60.. We could do this forever. The aventador could have the very same hp/lb ratio as a super modded cls but w/ the higher gear ratio of the aventador the cls will come out on top in acceleration everyday of the week. 'Faster' is debatable forever. Not the be the a55shole here but I'll call out the elephant in the room.
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Okay well 'FASTER' is completely relative. There is the hp/lb ratio if you wanna call that faster.. faster in acceleration? Are we talking the 1 mile? Are we talking 0-100, 0-60.. We could do this forever. The aventador could have the very same hp/lb ratio as a super modded cls but w/ the higher gear ratio of the aventador the cls will come out on top in acceleration everyday of the week. 'Faster' is debatable forever. Not the be the a55shole here but I'll call out the elephant in the room.
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I believe you. An Aventador has no chance against your car with your mods. It's funny how people want to make you the liar and call BS on your story when you have no reason to do so.
They are jealous. It's obvious. Your one of the few people if not the only person that has turbo upgrades coupled with Exhust + tune. They aren't as dedicated as you are when it comes to tuning and street racing.
Get an Aventador from one of your friends , race it and video tape it. It will be good to shut some of these trolls up. Lets see which of them is at least honorable enough to apologise to you,
Good luck man and keep enjoying your beast.
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I couldn't agree more, 60-130 is a way better measurement. At the track GTR's are complete beasts, but at a roll on the road they're nowhere near as fast without they're AWD launches helping them. I'm not saying they're not crazy fast and certainly modded ones can be unreal but the track and the street are completely different racing environments!
But...one of my neighbors who's got a stock '11 GTR regularly gets behind me on our commute in Atlanta while we're turning onto the on ramp on 285. He gets on my butt...then I blast off...and in 12 months, he has never caught me. I don't leave him or pull on him...but he's never caught me. It kills him. :-)
I've never lined up next to my friend's TT CLS63 (Stock)...but I really think it would be damn close to my car. One with upgraded turbos, tuned, etc has got to be insane from 60-XXX. I guarantee it hangs with just about anything on the planet. At speed, I could believe it pulling on an AV.
I swore I'd keep this W211 beast forever - no joke, I've never owned a car this just *right* - and now I'm questioning that with the TTs.
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TOTALLY agree... and from experience. I have no doubt (and know) that in the 1/4...any GTR would kill me. Traction is my nemesis - no street tire I've run will take the pedal going all the way down.
But...one of my neighbors who's got a stock '11 GTR regularly gets behind me on our commute in Atlanta while we're turning onto the on ramp on 285. He gets on my butt...then I blast off...and in 12 months, he has never caught me. I don't leave him or pull on him...but he's never caught me. It kills him. :-)
I've never lined up next to my friend's TT CLS63 (Stock)...but I really think it would be damn close to my car. One with upgraded turbos, tuned, etc has got to be insane from 60-XXX. I guarantee it hangs with just about anything on the planet. At speed, I could believe it pulling on an AV.
I swore I'd keep this W211 beast forever - no joke, I've never owned a car this just *right* - and now I'm questioning that with the TTs.
But...one of my neighbors who's got a stock '11 GTR regularly gets behind me on our commute in Atlanta while we're turning onto the on ramp on 285. He gets on my butt...then I blast off...and in 12 months, he has never caught me. I don't leave him or pull on him...but he's never caught me. It kills him. :-)
I've never lined up next to my friend's TT CLS63 (Stock)...but I really think it would be damn close to my car. One with upgraded turbos, tuned, etc has got to be insane from 60-XXX. I guarantee it hangs with just about anything on the planet. At speed, I could believe it pulling on an AV.
I swore I'd keep this W211 beast forever - no joke, I've never owned a car this just *right* - and now I'm questioning that with the TTs.
BUT Everyone in ATL needs to get to get together for cars and coffee. All the people in Cali organise it pretty damn well.. And Ive yet to hear one in ATL....
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Ok I am not sure what's the drag difference are maybe someone else can chip in this one sorry!
Weight the Aventadore is 300kg heavier that's 640lbs calculates to 64whp. Let's add them up Aventadore is 700hp with 10% drivetrain loss that's 630, so I need to be around 694whp to be dead even!
My car is around 850hp give or take 10hp, with 15% drivetrain loss "although I believe it's less" would be 722.5whp, so 30 odd WHP is good to give you a lead in any race and just for your info my tuner is being very conservative with the numbers! As I said I will do a video as soon as the opportunity comes along
Weight the Aventadore is 300kg heavier that's 640lbs calculates to 64whp. Let's add them up Aventadore is 700hp with 10% drivetrain loss that's 630, so I need to be around 694whp to be dead even!
My car is around 850hp give or take 10hp, with 15% drivetrain loss "although I believe it's less" would be 722.5whp, so 30 odd WHP is good to give you a lead in any race and just for your info my tuner is being very conservative with the numbers! As I said I will do a video as soon as the opportunity comes along
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SL55 beating an Aventador is a different thing altogether. My stock E63 PP walks a fully modded CLS55 from a roll, i can't imagine how ugly it would get racing Dbasons55's CLS63. If i'm not wrong, his car is faster than a modded 997 GT2 ... And trust me, even an Aventador will have problems beating one of those. Ok i agree maybe the Lamboghini driver did stop pushing at around 290kmh to let the AMG past, but by then it was probably obvious that he was not pulling on the CLS.
1/4 mile and 0-60 times are based on launching, and Aventandor has advantage of 4WD. Whats more indicative of rolling performance is the trap speed, and according to www.dragtimes.com, an Aventador traps 133mph which is not far off the Renntech CLS63 on stock turbos.
1/4 mile and 0-60 times are based on launching, and Aventandor has advantage of 4WD. Whats more indicative of rolling performance is the trap speed, and according to www.dragtimes.com, an Aventador traps 133mph which is not far off the Renntech CLS63 on stock turbos.
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My GT2 did dyno 620whp and it has turbo upgrades exhaust and a software and it is half a ton less than my CLS63
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Im not saying it can't be done or i'm not beleiving you.
my comments regarding what i'm reading time to time, alot of the people just look at the hp, weights and so on and ignore the most important thing...power to ground.
Regarding the GT2 i was refairing to Jspeed when he mentioned that the CLS63 will wax a modid GT2 and i asked to know becuase i know exactly what the GT2 can do, there is no chance to the CLS to run near the GT2 if it is in good hand.
I don't own an avent. but i own a GT2 if you are intrested.
my comments regarding what i'm reading time to time, alot of the people just look at the hp, weights and so on and ignore the most important thing...power to ground.
Regarding the GT2 i was refairing to Jspeed when he mentioned that the CLS63 will wax a modid GT2 and i asked to know becuase i know exactly what the GT2 can do, there is no chance to the CLS to run near the GT2 if it is in good hand.
I don't own an avent. but i own a GT2 if you are intrested.
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Im not saying it can't be done or i'm not beleiving you.
my comments regarding what i'm reading time to time, alot of the people just look at the hp, weights and so on and ignore the most important thing...power to ground.
Regarding the GT2 i was refairing to Jspeed when he mentioned that the CLS63 will wax a modid GT2 and i asked to know becuase i know exactly what the GT2 can do, there is no chance to the CLS to run near the GT2 if it is in good hand.
I don't own an avent. but i own a GT2 if you are intrested.
my comments regarding what i'm reading time to time, alot of the people just look at the hp, weights and so on and ignore the most important thing...power to ground.
Regarding the GT2 i was refairing to Jspeed when he mentioned that the CLS63 will wax a modid GT2 and i asked to know becuase i know exactly what the GT2 can do, there is no chance to the CLS to run near the GT2 if it is in good hand.
I don't own an avent. but i own a GT2 if you are intrested.
Sure why not I don't mind racing anyone for fun what mods are on your GT2 if you don't mind
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Dbasons. I have no doubt that you killed the Aventador. Many super cars are not all that super in a straight line especially when you have a fire breathing to car like your CLS.
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I didn't know CLS's Cd is 0.3. I thought it's lower than that since MB has recently been pretty good at lower the Cd on recent cars. I know the non-AMG W212's Cd is 0.26, one of the lowest in production automobile world. I wonder what the Cd of non-AMG CLS.
Also remember Cd is not the entire picture. The car's entire frontal profile needs to be taken into the drag equation. Thus the Aventador's front profile possibly is much smaller since it's so low and "squashed."
Typically various things added to increase the downforce will also raise the Cd and drag. That's another reason that R35 GTR's body is so phenomenal in being able to combine downforce with low drag, and achieve a Cd of 0.27.
Here is an interesting article for those of you interested in the subject around the R35:
http://www.suzukaracing.com/GTR%20pa...etoroadgtr.pdf
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i was once at the back of an Avantador while racing, up untill 300km, an arm behind his rear bumper with a tune and catless downpipe. i could not pass him or reach him. but the distince was still.
and the driver was totally shocked, i smoked an SL T65S (730hp, 1200NM) Brabus easily also.
so i totally believe dbasons55 that he smoked an Avantador easily because he has larger turbos, larger H/E, 3" DP and ofcourse a tune.
and the driver was totally shocked, i smoked an SL T65S (730hp, 1200NM) Brabus easily also.
so i totally believe dbasons55 that he smoked an Avantador easily because he has larger turbos, larger H/E, 3" DP and ofcourse a tune.
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