mainly

a little clip of the Kleemann K3 on my cls.

the sound is godlike. seems about 30% louder than stock. sounds more like a naturally aspirated engine now and crackles now, more like the 6.3

the car pulls very hard. 3rd to 4th shifts seem like 2nd to 3rd did when stock.

now debating doing a res delete to add even more sound. have dyno booked for next week. unfortunately its winter here so its going to be hard waiting another 5-6 months to race somebody or see the results at the track.

Saks_C350_Sport

Sounds great. Thanks for sharing.

alexdou111

sounds great, do you have the pictures a bit larger? you cant really see that much in this mini size - thx!

mainly

Did you click on the pics to open them? Lol

alexdou111

yes see for yourself it doesnt get a bit larger

mainly

Are you on a smart phone? They are uploaded to image venue so they should open up there.

alexdou111

no chrome browser win 8.1 PC

mainly

Not sure I'll check it

mainly

ok try now. i had them as clickable links for a forum but the this stupid forum was just treating them as attachments..
so i just resized them to the ridiculously small size they require and put them as attachments

since when could you not use an image host site?
.. lame..

alexdou111

now its good -would be a pitty not to see those beautiful pipes right lol

mainly

You an see the difference between the stock turbo pipes here. To the kleemann ones are quite a bit bigger.

mainly

Stock turbo pipes.flat double wall.

alexdou111

wow what a difference, I have mine here not instaled yet - can't wait :-)

Pumpkinate

Nice! I want to do this too (or maybe go with the turbo upgrade). How are you finding the improvement in performance?

mainly

you will love it. the sound from inside the car is so throaty and sinister. i cant stop driving the car.

its hard where i live because its winter now, so temps are like 2-3 deg above zero deg c. but a couple of times temp got up i did a couple of highway pulls and it feels definitely stronger. from 110 km/h floor it and the car is simply GONE... previously i had just a tune and couldnt really feel any difference. this time with the catless downpipes/turbopipes its a different car now.

turbos will take car that much further, i guess 4th to 5th is really strong, unlike stock. even with my setup, 3rd - 4th feels like 2nd - 3rd did before the mods. if you do turbos would probably be cheaper to do it all at once as im pretty sure the engine will have to be dropped to get at the turbos. for K3 we did it without dropping the engine, just had to move it over a bit. its a tight fit, since the Kleemann bridgepipes are bigger than the stock ones.

but if youre doing one one mod definitely do the downpipes/turbopipes first. actually im not even sure if you can do just turbos.


post the results when you do. this forum is so dead its pathetic, i wasnt going to bother posting at first. but i did anyway.

have dyno scheduled for next week. will report the results.

Pumpkinate

Definitely post the dyno results. The problem with the turbo upgrade is the big hike in costs, both for the parts and the installation. Still, the potential improvements are impressive.... the Kleemann K4 is around 850hp and the upcoming Weistec W4 is over 900hp on pump fuel

Zod

Thanks for sharing the results

I to am looking at the true bridge pipes and klemann came up as an option

Are the pipes made from SS?

Also makes you wonder why the stock bridge pipes are like that...is it to help with engine turning under loud, while doing sharp corners?

Would you mind testing this please

Do a sharp turn and punch it a bit. Example, do a U turn. If no rubbing occours then its a safe option

Also for the dyno I hope you dynoed it before the mods, as dynos should be used to show the delta between stock and moded. That will show you the true gains.

Also I am assuming you retuned, else how did you deal with check engine light from cat removal

Best of luck

Pumpkinate

I wondered the same thing, the complex mercedes ones have got to be more expensive than the obvious solution of simple pipes. I guess they are trying to make space for:
-allowing the engine to move like you suggested?
-airflow around the engine for cooling?
-ease of working on the engine?

If there is no disadvantage to the Kleemann/Weistec aftermarket midpipes taking up space then why the hell did mercedes make a complex expensive part that interferes with exhaust flow???

Most peculiar!

mainly

No unfortunately I didn't dyno before. But I'm more concerned with the power after.

Yes i have the corrosponding kleeman tune with my mods. Not sure I think they're stainless steel. They looked very well made.

No check engine light! 😊

KLR CLS

Did you do install yourself? I just received the CKS turbo back pipes from the UK, and they are a similar 3" back from the turbo ( downpipe, mid pipe ). Any install tips to consider?

mainly

no i didnt do it but i watched.

if your pipes are the same length, 3 pieces for each side then...

the tricky part was of course the turbopipes. all the rest is easy.

we had to remove the engine mounts and the steering rod for the left side(not sure if thats the name of it) in order to get the stock turbopipes out and get the new ones in. also the motor was moved over to the side a little when getting the new ones in position. we had the car on a hoist and used a transmission jack to maneuver the engine back and forth while getting the pipes into place. not sure if it could have been done without that jack... (unless you drop the engine) 3 of the bolts for the turbopipes were accessible from the bottom and one you have to get to from the top.

of course if you want to drop the engine then getting the pipes into place would probably be a breeze. but then its like 10-12 hours for that. lol

if youre doing the install yourself then you probably dont care. i had a friend do it so i paid about half of what a shop would have charged. i think one or 2 shops quoted like $1500 and another one like $2800 because they think you have to drop the engine. !!

make sure you put the heat shields back in around the new turbopipes...

Pumpkinate

Interesting.... Kleemann and Weistec both told me that it is "possible" to fit these turbo pipes to a RWD car without dropping the engine but it sounds like its more accurate to say "very tricky".

Pumpkinate

Those CKS ones are a great price compared to the opposition! Are you going with a tune from the same company or are you going to mix and match mods?

KLR CLS

Thanks for the tips. I have a pit in my shop and a tranny jack built for it, so should be easy enough. The cks pipes are pretty much identical to the Kleeman's only mandrel bent and with v band clamps to join turbo pipes to mid pipes. Would love to hear more sound clips if you get a chance. I have res delete already and I'm considering building the rest of the rear section in full 3" to the tips, but trying not to go too loud this time. My cts v was SW 2" primary headers to full catless 3 " and it was a rowdy loud beast. I'm sure full 3" is worth some power but want to keep it reasonable this time.

KLR CLS

Not using their tune. EC does my tuning.