Zod

Yes I am also under the assumption that the gt40 would win
But I think you are analyzing his viewpoints of the ford GT to precisely.

Also those numbers are done with capable drivers no? Our cars are not exactly as hard to launch, but do require some skill (I have yet to attain! Must practice more! )

I mean how is he to know what the other driver is doing exactly, let alone shift points, especially at such a short distance and burst of speed. Guessing comes to mind

Example:

Car A is faster then car B. Both require an operator

Car A + operator do not quiet get along = not achieving harmony

Car B requires less operator intervention = more likely to achieve harmony status

Odds are car B can win in certain situations.

But car A is still a faster car, but not in this circumstance

Life goes on and he got a kill for it let him be

cls63

WOW, some of you guys take this stuff way too seriously. Like I said gentlemen, it is what it is. Whatever the case was, he got smoked, I'm sorry if this is disturbing to some of you.

Oh, and by the way, I'm on my factory wheels right now, and have been for over a month. Some of you are complete haters, stop reading technical specs and base your opinions on real world experiences like this one.

MG0427

Bs

MG0427

BS- I had a CLS55 K4 dynoed by Kleeman at 600BHP. And it got splanked by by vette at 30 mph roll. The vette has Headers & Tune, so about 540 BHP give or take. And my Ford GT, will always pull on Z06. The GT are underrated, and true monsters.

http://media.putfile.com/C6Z06-vs-CLS55

cls63

I guess the GT driver wasn't really racing me, maybe that was how he always drives. It was probably a dream now that I think about it. Oh I know, maybe it was a Ford GT replica on a VW chassis...That makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me guys.

juicee63

so this could "never" happen?

You have never beaten a more capable car off the line up to 70?

juicee63

keep talking bro,

Its the lack of fear thats going to cause your loss.

allminesl550

Seems like the Ford GT driver may not have put his all into it, afterall its not like there was this Ferrari next to him.
Besides, with the wife in the car possibly freakin out, that can tend to relax the right foot. Well I know it did when I was cruisin my Boss 429 waybackwhen, anyway.

Thericker

You solicit these types of responses due to your lack of tempering your shall we say "Story" You add:

"I know these cars are fast, but my brother in law had one & it didn't seem all that to me, what's the big hype here....."

Anyone that's SUPPOSEDLY been behind the wheel of a low 11 second 1/4 mile 5-600rwhp 5-600rwto 3,000 odd llb sports car & add these statements is truely full of something found in a horse stable, comparing seat of the pants acceleration to your 400rwhp 365-388rwto 4600lb family sedan that run high 12' low 13's in the 1/4 you come off as a complete artist!

Thericker

Fear? bro there's always someone/something faster but you carry a torch for these low torque heavy sedans like there true giant killers If you had the E55k w/100+ rwto + mods the torch carrying is totally believable, but we've seen what a near STOCK C6 Z06 can do (Video posted by Zlicious) to a E55k4 or Renn 5, & the the Ford GT vs C6 Z06 is a very close race, I'd deff give the edge to the GT due to mid-engine better launch capability.

As for my asking you to race? what's the big deal? I have some new mods (far less HP than a Z06) and you claim there totally beatable, so please lets end the debate by showing what your 63 can do to a lessor C6 All in good fun

MercedesFTW

cls63, it's just the way you stated some stuff. Otherwise, you wouldn't be getting *****.

Also I might be baised...the Ford GT is my dream car...

juicee63

Your car looks great and I am certain it is fast but you should be a bit less certain of victory over the CLS or any other AMG. The low torque you speaketh of is plenty sufficient to keep the car glued to the C6. The C6 guys at LACR (RIP) loved the CLS and found it amusing the sedan had similar dial to that of the much lighter C6. The Z06(The fastest stock time in CA) was beating the E55 but not by the margins you spew.(STOCK 55) The AMG's do really well considering the power to weight is much lower than in the Vettes or GT.

Why do you hold Some videos as your evidence when there are others that show the opposite ? What should we do with my videos from the track showing the eclipse of the Z? Oh here comes the never ending excuse list.

Thericker

It's simple juice! just come out and meet me for a street race? will make our own videolol...

PS...I do love the looks of CLS it's HOTT car no doubt!

cls63

I can't even believe I'm responding to this guy...

Don't be sad man, I'm sure he was a horrible driver and his car was probably broken too. And your C6 is really cool too, I bet it's fast & furious.

Improviz

....anyone who thinks any stock, non-twin-turbo AMG is gonna take either a Ford GT or a Z06 without either serious mistakes on the part of the GT/Z06 driver, severe traction issues, or mechanical difficulties needs to get his head examined.

We are talking a 10+ mph difference in trap speed here, folks...that's HUGE. And just because every Z06 and Ford GT driver out there can't hit the 11's hardly means that they aren't 11 second cars in the right hands.

I've beaten plenty faster cars, knowing full well that had the other driver not screwed up, I'd have gone down. Yes, it is a great feeling to beat a faster car, but one must keep one's feet planted in reality. If you beat a faster car, kudos to you, but keep in mind that the victory was affected every bit as much by the other guy's screwups, or his terrible reaction time, or his inability to handle that much power as by you and your car.

juicee63

Part of what makes racing fun , there are always factors , intangibles that matter much more than the published 1/4 mile times or hp output etc..

Guy in the GT may know what a CLS 63 is now..

I love the Ford GT it is a great car, as is the Z..

The Ford GT I raced also appeared slower than the performance numbers referenced in mags etc.. I found out later the guy had never been on a track and did not wish to damage the car. My car improved by over 10 mph through the twisties with a pro driver in it . Driver skill makes up for hp deficiency everytime. My guess in this race was the GT driver underestimated the CLS as it simply looks like a fancy sedan.

AMG_55

fear only slows you down



i believe that this did occur, anything can happen o nthe street, but the gt is a MUCH faster car. i have no problem running with my cousins cls63 (modded) to 70, we're dead even. there is no way in hell i can stay with a ford gt up to 70, thats for sure

juicee63

fear speeds me up!

you keep up with the 63?

whatcha got you aint tellin us

AMG_55

nothing special, just whats in the sig..... i keep stay with it up to 70 and then at my 2-3 shift he pulls about 1/2 a car and starts to slowly walk. but my car is a little faster now (more mi, it wasnt broken in then and i have lighter wheels and an airbox now)

BlackHammer

Nice Fleet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TK

BlackHammer

Not saying, just saying...

Ran a buddy in his 500 HP Viper (now has a 911 TT with 608 HP at the wheels) and ran dead even from 5-125 MPH. By 140 he had about 2 car lenghts on me, when he backed out of it I was next to him immediately (he was shocked). He is as good as driver as you will find (Vipers have a "heavy" tranny and tough to "powershift" and he is as good as it gets with a stick). My E ran a 12.3 (stock).

I agree with you on this. It is common to see Z06's and Vipers nearly neck and neck in videos and I hear that Z06's will smoke blown E's, CLS's, and the 63 versions of each so it is a tough sell on how this can happen.

Just my story and he will validate (hence the reason for the 911 TT purchase, too).

TK

AMG Rider

heat-soak?

IngenereAMG

Don't feel bad, this is an enthusiast's site......and part of being an enthusiast with fast cars is.........guess what..........goin' fast! Sharing fun stories is all part of the "support group"!

Sounds like fun, but he might have had the same option activated that I have in my cars from time to time.........CBBSCD....Carbon Based Biological Speed Control Device (Otherwise known as wife/girlfriend)

Have fun and be safe.....

traumadoc

I have one as well who has installed the imaginary brake pedal on the passenger side of all our cars.....

enzom

Couple of comments -

I've driven my cousin's GT a couple of times. I hate to say it, but I was not impressed. The car did not feel fast. Maybe its speed is deceptive, but it left me feeling cheated. If it is a 130mph 1/4 mile car, that car didn't feel like one. I couldn't even break traction in the wet in first gear. Now the car did not feel "slow", but it did not give me a case of the speed-induced giggles.

As for this race - the GT I drove seemed to pull considerably harder in third than in first or second. It really seemed to wake up and stretch its legs. So if the race barely lasted a few hundred feet, I can see how the GT would not have a chance to pull. As for how the GT lost its initial lead, maybe he messed up his shift?