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Old Mar 25, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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1. E90's M3 Coupe and M3 Cab will be named M4 Coupe and M4 Cab.
2. E90's M3 4-door sadan ( previously only E36 has 4-door M3 ) will remain the name M3 as to retain the famous name 'M3'.
3. M3 will have an V8 engine with 400hp. M3 CSL will have 420hp.
4. AC Schnitzer spoilers for E90 called ACS3 - look great
5 Based on Geneva moto show , they show a '3 Individual' special version based on 330i which has full hand built interial and all leathers. 'Individual' offers six additonal body color, more interior trims to choose, and even DVD system and a internet connected PC system at the backseats.
If M3/M4 can also have 'M3/M4 Individual' , it will be very luxury.

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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 02:04 AM
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All i know is that (3) has not yet been released!
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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 02:10 AM
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Will the M3 CSL come to USA?
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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 03:47 AM
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BMW announced months ago that they won't be using the even-odd number scheme they touted last year, according to several magazine reports (like Autocar).

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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 05:25 AM
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That's NO offical M3 info, according to BMWNA.
The latest in US is Competition Package and NO CSL for North America ( sucks )!

We can keep gussing, but for me...my E46 should be my last BMW...they just look way too ugly, but I'll never question about their balance of Power and Handling.....but the looks is very important too.

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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 02:25 PM
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Last I heard is there sticking with the M3 badge for all M3's coupe,cab,4 door what ever comes out its sticking with the M3 name.

The engine is rumored to have 415 ps 4.0 l v8 and the CSL With 440 ps.

Some are also saying its getting a choped down version of the new m5 but with 2 less cyl.so a 5.0 l v8 will just have to wait and see.

SMG 7 speed only 9k rev limit and so on.I just hope it ****s on the new rs4 because thats all my brother talks about.
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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 07:12 PM
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Some are also saying its getting a choped down version of the new m5 but with 2 less cyl.so a 5.0 l v8 will just have to wait and see.
nobody except you! If you "chop 2 cylinders off" (not literally either) you get a 4L V8. 100hp/L is the number to remember so 4L and 400 odd hp is about the ballpark figures to expect.
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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by skratch77
Last I heard is there sticking with the M3 badge for all M3's coupe,cab,4 door what ever comes out its sticking with the M3 name.
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This point here was exactly what I originally want to verify. What I read from the local mag was only the "E46 4-dooor M3" retains the name M3. The coupe and cab will be named M4.
Anyway, our local mags bullshhhtt sometime...

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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 10:38 PM
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nobody except you! If you "chop 2 cylinders off" (not literally either) you get a 4L V8. 100hp/L is the number to remember so 4L and 400 odd hp is about the ballpark figures to expect.
What are you talking about.I can find you 20 plus posts of people saying its going to be 2 cylinders choped from the new m5 engine.

and before the new m5 came out the rumors were thats its getting the m5 v8 5.0 l engine.

If you minus 2 cylinders from the new m5 and its still a 5l.

They also said it might be getting a 4.4 v8 440 hp engine and a inline 6 making 400hp theres lots of rumors out there for the next m3s engine.

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Old Mar 26, 2005 | 11:56 PM
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why is it that the C32/C55 forum is the only forum where you can post off topic stuff and it never gets moved?
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Old Mar 27, 2005 | 01:26 AM
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If each cylinder in a 5.0; V10 has 0.5l capacity, taking off 2 cylinder you will end up with 4.0l. I also believe that is what will be the case.

However, that will be the starting point & more tuning will be done on that. As we all know it is much easier to get more hp/litre from a smaller engine. E39M5 had 400hp from a 5.0l back in 1999. There are new technologies abound now. The current CSL has 112hp/litre.

I expect the next M3 will have around 110hp/litre but just to be conserative I will go with the current reports that it will have around 415hp. However it will be slightly lighter than the E46 & will have better gearing due to the 7-speed.
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Old Mar 27, 2005 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by skratch77
What are you talking about.I can find you 20 plus posts of people saying its going to be 2 cylinders choped from the new m5 engine.

and before the new m5 came out the rumors were thats its getting the m5 v8 5.0 l engine.

If you minus 2 cylinders from the new m5 and its still a 5l.

They also said it might be getting a 4.4 v8 440 hp engine and a inline 6 making 400hp theres lots of rumors out there for the next m3s engine.
The common quote of 2 cylinders being chopped off the M5 was not meant to be interpreted in that way. If the M3 had a 5L V8 it would have about the same hp as the m5 and m6 which both cost significantly more so thats a definite no no. What would be the point anyway they'd be better of putting the V10 in the m3 if it was going to end up with the same capacity. Why goto the bother of developing a 5.0L v10 if they are going to put the old 5L v8 in the m3? It will be a v8 of around 4L (give or take) for the M3 and maybe slightly more capacity for the CSL but probably just a bit more tuning. You yourself said it would have a 9k rev limit which means in excess of 100hp/L. The m3 is not BMW's flagship so it won't be as fast as the M5 or M6. The inline 6 cyl is going to the M1/M2. Remember that rumours are rumours, some are old and some are made up by people like us with no credibile inside information. Use a bit of logic and you can guess what will be the outcome.
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Old Mar 27, 2005 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by M&M
If each cylinder in a 5.0; V10 has 0.5l capacity, taking off 2 cylinder you will end up with 4.0l. I also believe that is what will be the case.

However, that will be the starting point & more tuning will be done on that. As we all know it is much easier to get more hp/litre from a smaller engine. E39M5 had 400hp from a 5.0l back in 1999. There are new technologies abound now. The current CSL has 112hp/litre.

I expect the next M3 will have around 110hp/litre but just to be conserative I will go with the current reports that it will have around 415hp. However it will be slightly lighter than the E46 & will have better gearing due to the 7-speed.
it will be atleast 100lbs heavier due to extra size and any weight saving tricks will only help offset the extra gizmos included so definately not lighter than the e46 the history of the m3 gives the trend of increased weight. A 130i will nearly tip in at about the e46 m3's weight
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Old Mar 27, 2005 | 10:57 AM
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Maybe in the series production cars but not in the M cars. I'm sure you know tha the E60 M5 is 40kg lighter than the E39.

The new E90 330 is hardly any heavier then the outgoing 330. But its not an M car. It will not get the weight saving techniques from the CSL going into production. CFP's, honeycomb bulkhead, carbon roof (on coupe only), etc. You didn't count on that 'cos you were looking at the productuction 3's.
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Old Mar 27, 2005 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackC230Coupe
why is it that the C32/C55 forum is the only forum where you can post off topic stuff and it never gets moved?

Hope I am not offending anyone. :p
Perhps it is "off topic" to new joiners, it is not quite off topic because many C32/C55 owners are considering to migrate to M3/M4, so any M3 topics can end up with C vs 3 comparisons. And, "topics" are dead static; posters and readers of this thread are real. Or some time, it is better than boring all-time "on topic" questions: " What tires should I get for my C55?"
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Old Mar 27, 2005 | 08:16 PM
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Maybe in the series production cars but not in the M cars. I'm sure you know tha the E60 M5 is 40kg lighter than the E39.

The new E90 330 is hardly any heavier then the outgoing 330. But its not an M car. It will not get the weight saving techniques from the CSL going into production. CFP's, honeycomb bulkhead, carbon roof (on coupe only), etc. You didn't count on that 'cos you were looking at the productuction 3's.
The e60 is atleast 40kg heavier than the e39. Make sure your source(s) use the same definition of kerb weight. The extra size offsets those weight saving techniques as does all the extra options and things that will end up in the m3. Theres a reason why the cSL costs so much and part of that is that weight saving is not cheap, and minimal techniques will be included on the M to keep the price in check and most reserved for the CSL.
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Will they still blow up ocassionally?
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Will they still blow up ocassionally?
That's a "special" option for "special" owners... :p
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