C55 W202 runs low 13's at English town!
09-26-2005, 04:29 PM
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RGuy:
Carl is running a low 13 in the 1/4. A W203 C55 with an exhaust and ECU would run about the same.
As far as your argument that it is somehow a sin (or, at the very least, economically unwise) to "Frankify" an AMG, please do not tell this the the guys who have supercharged their C55, or who have (like I have) modified pullies, wheels, battery, etc. We all realize that mods will probably eventually lead to a net economic loss, but the "fun factor" is priceless.
Why so much hostility?
Carl is running a low 13 in the 1/4. A W203 C55 with an exhaust and ECU would run about the same.
As far as your argument that it is somehow a sin (or, at the very least, economically unwise) to "Frankify" an AMG, please do not tell this the the guys who have supercharged their C55, or who have (like I have) modified pullies, wheels, battery, etc. We all realize that mods will probably eventually lead to a net economic loss, but the "fun factor" is priceless.
Why so much hostility?
09-26-2005, 04:38 PM
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Vomit, no hostility is here. You are reading that there is. Our cars will never ever ever be what the w202 C43 was to the car world. They just won't. And we will realize drops in value from modding our cars, but our cars will never be a classic in my opinion. The last run of classics for mercedes will be the last gen of the s class (90's s-class), the w208 clk 55, and the w202 c43, that is it. The S class because it was the last truly quality S-class they produced or will produce by the sound of it, the w208 clk because of it's timeless hot rod shape, and the w202 because of the business side of how that car happened. The c36 would have been but the c43 trumped it. Actually I do think the earlier w210 e55's will be too since they were the last cars built in affalterbach before MB started watering down the AMG brand. There is an outside, outside chance for the latest CL since it reintroduced pillarless design to the world while maintaining today's crash safety requirements. Hope that clears up the confusion vomit.
09-26-2005, 04:39 PM
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Also, I disagree with you on the low 13 for the modded c55 and I especially disagree with you about the trap speeds for those quarter miles, but I think it is absolutely fruitless to debate it with you. And I am sure you will feel the same about debating it with me. I guess the only thing to do would be to have somebody run them, but I am pretty confident here that you would see some significant differences between the two.
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09-26-2005, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by doofoo
I assure you, I hit 1.7's the day I ran over 30 runs at MIR Drag in maryland. I was in 1.8's and 1.9's all day long on my stock tires. I'll goto my storage locker and get my pile of slips and scan them in. 
All I have done to my car is ASP Pulleys, no ECU. I ran 12.706 @ 109.55 50-60 degree's out.
-Mike
All I have done to my car is ASP Pulleys, no ECU. I ran 12.706 @ 109.55 50-60 degree's out.
-Mike
i said stock :p
09-26-2005, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rguy
Hey carl,
The uncool carlski was just a joke matching your joke, but I did think we agreed for the sake of others not in on the mental gymnastics that we would stop doing this jacka$$ thing on forums.
The uncool carlski was just a joke matching your joke, but I did think we agreed for the sake of others not in on the mental gymnastics that we would stop doing this jacka$$ thing on forums.
We definitely have a difference of opinion but the facts as far as whp on my car compared to an W210 E55 or W203 C55 and being faster in the 1/4 mile time wise than SOME is right there b4 your eye's.No,I'm not looking for your approval or anything but for some stubborn reason you continue to disagree.Fine!
Originally Posted by Rguy
And as you truly know, I just said that the engine wouldn't make the same numbers in the w202 as it did in the w210 and most likely wouldn't run as fast either. I think I am vindicated here.
As far as my mph #'s are concerned,this was affected by my early shift from D3 to D4 which momentarily kills some momentum.I've spoken to several members about this,Vadim,Vomit,Improviz and others about this and the conclusion is that I shifted the car too early. Some say leave it in D others say run the 1/4 in D3.Ill try diff combo's of course.
As far as car value and history go ,to each his own.It's pretty trivial to me and I'm sure to a host of other's. Go ask Donnie Drummond(11.5 sec C43/55) who has Kleemanized many AMG's late 90's and newer.
Finally ,YES there will be vindication in proving you wrng,it is part of the fire that makes this thing fun.
Again,I have no hard feelings.PS have you dyno'ed or tracked your car yet,or is that something you would find appalling?
PS 2: I don't think there would be a debate if you came up with posted known ,obvious facts(as I have) as opposed to opinionated mere conjecture.
Take care and Godspeed! More track time coming up!
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09-26-2005, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rguy
Also, I disagree with you on the low 13 for the modded c55 and I especially disagree with you about the trap speeds for those quarter miles, but I think it is absolutely fruitless to debate it with you. And I am sure you will feel the same about debating it with me. I guess the only thing to do would be to have somebody run them, but I am pretty confident here that you would see some significant differences between the two.
SLK55 yes it's been done! C55,SHOW ME THE $$$$$!
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09-26-2005, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rguy
Also, I disagree with you on the low 13 for the modded c55 and I especially disagree with you about the trap speeds for those quarter miles, but I think it is absolutely fruitless to debate it with you. And I am sure you will feel the same about debating it with me. I guess the only thing to do would be to have somebody run them, but I am pretty confident here that you would see some significant differences between the two.
Let's leave it at this: Carl built himself a fast, unique car. As for the "Who would win?" question, we are talking about very close 1/4 mile TIMES (not trap speeds). An exhaust is not going to improve the W203 32/55 1/4 mile TIME by much, if anything. Win or lose, Carl would give a 203 AMG a very good run in the 1/4 mile. Seems like money well-spent to me.
BTW: I highly doubt that, in 20 years, you will see any of the vehicles which you have named on anyone's "Classics Wish List." SLR yes. C43 no and, God forbid, the 90s S-Class? You must be kidding.
09-26-2005, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Please list some known high 12 second C55's with 108-110 mph trap speeds or lower!You do that and there will be no debate on that SLK55 yes it's been done! C55,SHOW ME THE $$$$$!
SLK55 yes it's been done! C55,SHOW ME THE $$$$$! CLK55
13.100* 109.000 mph Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 2004 Car and Driver
13.140* 108.070 mph Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 2004 Motor Trend
13.326 110.260 mph 9.007 84.700 2.518 60ft 50.0 temp Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 2004 Jae Sung Lee (This car is modded)headers ,exh,ECU,pullies and he's a member on this site!
C55
Modded
11.540 120.120mph 7.451 95.010 1.719 Mercedes-Benz W202 C55 AMG 1998 Benzmac (Donnie drummond)
12.210 117.020 mph Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG KLEEMAN 55S8 2005 NA
12.492* 116.800 mph 8.290 86.960 2.026 95.0 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG
Kleemann 55K S7 2005 Josh Hill
Light mod to Stock
13.210* 107.310 mph Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG 2005 NA
13.310 108.100 mph Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG 2005 NA
13.510 106.600 mph Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG 2005 NA
13.524* 105.180 mph 8.849 2.201 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG 2005
derrick_lui (Member of this site)!
C32
Some stck some lightly modded
13.162 107.270 mph 8.550 83.760 2.067 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2002 boostit@webtv.net
13.356* 107.710 mph 8.703 83.260 2.140 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2002 box986
13.420* 104.960 mph 8.710 81.550 2.040 80.0 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2002 Brooks
13.519* 105.820 mph 8.828 82.040 2.175 52.0 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2002 Scott
13.574 105.390 mph 8.848 81.500 2.156 60.0 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2003 Mike Dye
13.806 104.310 mph 9.014 79.890 2.215 60.0 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2003 Mike Dye
Modded C32's
12.579* 110.490 mph 1.859 (60ft) 63.0(temp) Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 4 door sedan 2003 FongFlex
12.753* 107.mph 8.222 85.940 1.883(60ft') 70.0(temp) Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2003 Russo
12.772* 108.810 mph 8.262 87.040 1.939(60ft) 70.0(temp) Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2004 Honson Lau
12.815* 108.810 mph 8.298 85.810 1.956(60ft) 57.0(temp) Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2003 Mike Dye
12.983* 107.320 mph 8.374 84.320 1.935(60ft) Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 2003 roozy
I hope you have also been paying attention to temp and 60ft launch #'s Rguy!
YOU WANT THE TRUTH! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!! LOL!
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09-27-2005, 01:31 PM
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Carl,
There is no need for fire or burning. I really do have no hostility, not merely stating that I don't as some people might be suggesting. I want that to be clear. I have my opinions, you have yours, and there is nothing but a stalemate here. Never has been anything but, and never will be anything but. You and I look at cars differently, and our fundamental differences, and I am sure you will find resonance with lots of people on this board and I am sure that with some you will not. This is neither here nor there. The point is that instead of being out enjoying driving your car, you are here in the forum trying to win approval. You are the only one who needs to approve of your vehicle. If it is good enough for you, then it is good enough. I think that with enough further modification you could be faster than the C55 w203, but you are not currently. Remember, there is more to life than 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and many more definitions of fastness. I am not going to spend the countless hours finding quarter mile times to prove something in a rather useless specification anyway. I just have other things to do. If you want to find some, then go ahead, maybe some people here would like to see that happen. I really do stand behind what I have said here all along, and I think you are just picking out favorable tests that hide a lot of lurking variables. Sure a test in combination with another test in combination with another test helps out, but in the end it doesn't matter how cars test against each other. This is something car magazines have sold the public on...in fact the subjective reviews from these publications is far more valuable than the tests themselves. If I need to explain this to you, which I really don't think I do, then you will know that these numbers are all meaningless. I am not going to draw some sarcastic picture of why, because although it might be funny I feel it just might affect you more, and I really am not after that. In fact, to everyone here, I really do think that Carl has done something mechanically that is quite unique to his car, and a lot of people will appreciate it, but WHEN the c43 goes up to classic status, and I can tell you with nearly 100% certainty that it does, he might be wishing he had kept it stock, or he might have sold it, or he might not care because he will keep it till he dies. What he feels about it or anyone else doesn't really matter as much as what is going to happen. An owner's perspective on how they value their ride doesn't change the monetary or historic value of the ride.
As for my times, I don't go and drag race. It isn't that it is appalling, it is just that I don't see the benefit. I don't have anything to prove to anyone (though some might think otherwise), and I am very happy with my car.
I have to go now because I am putting a superorgasmorator into my C, which is going to put me into the low 1's. (Okay sorry, I couldn't resist that one, but it is a technology I have been thinking about patenting) Well, I guess I should finish eating lunch too. Wish my car wasn't parked over a mile away, or I would probably be driving right now. Go enjoy the weather. Commune with nature and asphalt. Perform without needing to perform. In the end, I hope you do become faster than a stock C55 because, you would probably find all this time to be wasted without succeeding in this. I can hint to you that you won't find this in quarter mile time comparisons. Seriously good luck with your project. I wish there was some way to not make that sound sarcastic or passive agressive to vomit, but I don't think there is. You are just going to have to trust me on this one.
There is no need for fire or burning. I really do have no hostility, not merely stating that I don't as some people might be suggesting. I want that to be clear. I have my opinions, you have yours, and there is nothing but a stalemate here. Never has been anything but, and never will be anything but. You and I look at cars differently, and our fundamental differences, and I am sure you will find resonance with lots of people on this board and I am sure that with some you will not. This is neither here nor there. The point is that instead of being out enjoying driving your car, you are here in the forum trying to win approval. You are the only one who needs to approve of your vehicle. If it is good enough for you, then it is good enough. I think that with enough further modification you could be faster than the C55 w203, but you are not currently. Remember, there is more to life than 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and many more definitions of fastness. I am not going to spend the countless hours finding quarter mile times to prove something in a rather useless specification anyway. I just have other things to do. If you want to find some, then go ahead, maybe some people here would like to see that happen. I really do stand behind what I have said here all along, and I think you are just picking out favorable tests that hide a lot of lurking variables. Sure a test in combination with another test in combination with another test helps out, but in the end it doesn't matter how cars test against each other. This is something car magazines have sold the public on...in fact the subjective reviews from these publications is far more valuable than the tests themselves. If I need to explain this to you, which I really don't think I do, then you will know that these numbers are all meaningless. I am not going to draw some sarcastic picture of why, because although it might be funny I feel it just might affect you more, and I really am not after that. In fact, to everyone here, I really do think that Carl has done something mechanically that is quite unique to his car, and a lot of people will appreciate it, but WHEN the c43 goes up to classic status, and I can tell you with nearly 100% certainty that it does, he might be wishing he had kept it stock, or he might have sold it, or he might not care because he will keep it till he dies. What he feels about it or anyone else doesn't really matter as much as what is going to happen. An owner's perspective on how they value their ride doesn't change the monetary or historic value of the ride.
As for my times, I don't go and drag race. It isn't that it is appalling, it is just that I don't see the benefit. I don't have anything to prove to anyone (though some might think otherwise), and I am very happy with my car.
I have to go now because I am putting a superorgasmorator into my C, which is going to put me into the low 1's. (Okay sorry, I couldn't resist that one, but it is a technology I have been thinking about patenting) Well, I guess I should finish eating lunch too. Wish my car wasn't parked over a mile away, or I would probably be driving right now. Go enjoy the weather. Commune with nature and asphalt. Perform without needing to perform. In the end, I hope you do become faster than a stock C55 because, you would probably find all this time to be wasted without succeeding in this. I can hint to you that you won't find this in quarter mile time comparisons. Seriously good luck with your project. I wish there was some way to not make that sound sarcastic or passive agressive to vomit, but I don't think there is. You are just going to have to trust me on this one.
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09-27-2005, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rguy
Carl,
As for my times, I don't go and drag race. It isn't that it is appalling, it is just that I don't see the benefit. I don't have anything to prove to anyone (though some might think otherwise), and I am very happy with my car.
I have to go now because I am putting a superorgasmorator into my C, which is going to put me into the low 1's. (Okay sorry, I couldn't resist that one, but it is a technology I have been thinking about patenting) Well, I guess I should finish eating lunch too. Wish my car wasn't parked over a mile away, or I would probably be driving right now. Go enjoy the weather. Commune with nature and asphalt. Perform without needing to perform. In the end, I hope you do become faster than a stock C55 because, you would probably find all this time to be wasted without succeeding in this. I can hint to you that you won't find this in quarter mile time comparisons. Seriously good luck with your project. I wish there was some way to not make that sound sarcastic or passive agressive to vomit, but I don't think there is. You are just going to have to trust me on this one.
As for my times, I don't go and drag race. It isn't that it is appalling, it is just that I don't see the benefit. I don't have anything to prove to anyone (though some might think otherwise), and I am very happy with my car.
I have to go now because I am putting a superorgasmorator into my C, which is going to put me into the low 1's. (Okay sorry, I couldn't resist that one, but it is a technology I have been thinking about patenting) Well, I guess I should finish eating lunch too. Wish my car wasn't parked over a mile away, or I would probably be driving right now. Go enjoy the weather. Commune with nature and asphalt. Perform without needing to perform. In the end, I hope you do become faster than a stock C55 because, you would probably find all this time to be wasted without succeeding in this. I can hint to you that you won't find this in quarter mile time comparisons. Seriously good luck with your project. I wish there was some way to not make that sound sarcastic or passive agressive to vomit, but I don't think there is. You are just going to have to trust me on this one.
,Nuff said! 
I just am not a person to say things just for saying them without some sort of factual knowledge. Go eat your ice cream and make sure to have an orgasm! Take care Rguy!
